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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-JuX6DAaQMKPCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>,
	Seth Forshee
	<seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux FS Devel
	<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:19:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vb0ilrpz.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVJ-2-BxyBW-P9sbjzR3cTTZ0vDzVO+8dhS14jdHXW2=Q@mail.gmail.com> (Andy Lutomirski's message of "Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:01:39 -0700")

Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Eric W. Biederman
> <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> As well as in these patches the code is also available from:
>> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ebiederm/user-namespace.git for-testing
>>
>> It has been a long time in coming but recently in the userns tree the
>> superblock has been expanded with a s_user_ns field indicating the user
>> namespace that owns a superblock.
>>
>
> It would be nice if global root could mount otherwise-unsafe
> filesystems with s_user_ns set to a non-init namespace.  Do you have
> plans to allow that?

Looking at the code global root would pass the permission checks that
are present in my tree today.  At the same time I don't have a provision
for global root to specify the user namespace.

The practical limitation is that the filesystems need a little bit of
gentle massaging to handle the case when s_user_ns != &init_user_ns.
I think i_uid_read and i_uid_write already provide 90% of that.

The other limitation is that s_user_ns is defined as the owner of the
filesystem and as the default translation.  Which will mean root in
s_user_ns will be trusted to remount the filesystem.

The primary target right now is a safe unprivileged mount of fuse.


I am not opposed to extensions allowing the global root to mount
otherwise-unsafe filesystems with s_user_ns != &init_user_ns as long as
it is for cases where we can trust the underlying filesystem image and
don't mind giving root in s_user_ns all interesting permissions over the
filesystem.  I think that could be an very interesting intermediary step
in getting filesystems supported.  Still my focus is true unprivileged
mounts, there are a huge number of little details that go into getting
that right, and my poor brain can't handle looking at cases beyond that.

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:19:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vb0ilrpz.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVJ-2-BxyBW-P9sbjzR3cTTZ0vDzVO+8dhS14jdHXW2=Q@mail.gmail.com> (Andy Lutomirski's message of "Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:01:39 -0700")

Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> writes:

> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Eric W. Biederman
> <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>> As well as in these patches the code is also available from:
>> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ebiederm/user-namespace.git for-testing
>>
>> It has been a long time in coming but recently in the userns tree the
>> superblock has been expanded with a s_user_ns field indicating the user
>> namespace that owns a superblock.
>>
>
> It would be nice if global root could mount otherwise-unsafe
> filesystems with s_user_ns set to a non-init namespace.  Do you have
> plans to allow that?

Looking at the code global root would pass the permission checks that
are present in my tree today.  At the same time I don't have a provision
for global root to specify the user namespace.

The practical limitation is that the filesystems need a little bit of
gentle massaging to handle the case when s_user_ns != &init_user_ns.
I think i_uid_read and i_uid_write already provide 90% of that.

The other limitation is that s_user_ns is defined as the owner of the
filesystem and as the default translation.  Which will mean root in
s_user_ns will be trusted to remount the filesystem.

The primary target right now is a safe unprivileged mount of fuse.


I am not opposed to extensions allowing the global root to mount
otherwise-unsafe filesystems with s_user_ns != &init_user_ns as long as
it is for cases where we can trust the underlying filesystem image and
don't mind giving root in s_user_ns all interesting permissions over the
filesystem.  I think that could be an very interesting intermediary step
in getting filesystems supported.  Still my focus is true unprivileged
mounts, there are a huge number of little details that go into getting
that right, and my poor brain can't handle looking at cases beyond that.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-06 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-02 17:18 [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20 ` [PATCH review 01/11] fs: Refuse uid/gid changes which don't map into s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 03/11] vfs: Verify acls are valid within superblock's s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 05/11] cred: Reject inodes with invalid ids in set_create_file_as() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 07/11] vfs: Don't create inodes with a uid or gid unknown to the vfs Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <20160702172035.19568-7-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-04  7:59       ` Jan Kara
2016-07-04  7:59       ` Jan Kara
2016-07-04  7:59         ` Jan Kara
     [not found]         ` <20160704075919.GA5200-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 14:55           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-05 14:55             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87zipwxhgp.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06  9:07               ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06  9:07                 ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                 ` <20160706090705.GE14067-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 15:37                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 15:37                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 15:37                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 08/11] quota: Ensure qids map to the filesystem Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 10/11] evm: Translate user/group ids relative to s_user_ns when computing HMAC Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <20160702172035.19568-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 02/11] userns: Handle -1 in k[ug]id_has_mapping when !CONFIG_USER_NS Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 03/11] vfs: Verify acls are valid within superblock's s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 04/11] fs: Check for invalid i_uid in may_follow_link() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 05/11] cred: Reject inodes with invalid ids in set_create_file_as() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 06/11] vfs: Don't modify inodes with a uid or gid unknown to the vfs Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 07/11] vfs: Don't create " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 08/11] quota: Ensure qids map to the filesystem Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 09/11] quota: Handle quota data stored in s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <20160702172035.19568-9-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-02 17:33         ` [PATCH v2 " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:33           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87mvm03pxy.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-04  9:11             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-04  9:11             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-04  9:11               ` Jan Kara
2016-07-05 14:48               ` Seth Forshee
     [not found]               ` <20160704091100.GD5200-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 14:48                 ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-05 15:34                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-05 15:34               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87d1msumhy.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 20:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-05 20:57                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-05 21:28                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-05 21:28                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-05 21:28                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <8737nnrcyy.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06  6:35                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-06  6:35                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-06  8:25                           ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06  8:25                             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 17:51                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <20160706082545.GC14067-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 17:51                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-05 20:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-02 17:33         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 10/11] evm: Translate user/group ids relative to s_user_ns when computing HMAC Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 11/11] fs: Update i_[ug]id_(read|write) to translate relative to s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-04  8:52 ` [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support Jan Kara
     [not found]   ` <20160704085220.GC5200-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-04 16:27     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-04 16:27     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-04 16:27       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <87h9c52wsd.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06  8:54         ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06  8:54           ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 13:54           ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-06 14:22             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 14:22               ` Jan Kara
     [not found]               ` <20160706142255.GB21164-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 14:46                 ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-06 15:01                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 15:23                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-06 14:46               ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-06 15:01               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 15:23               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1467818630.2369.21.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 16:35                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 16:35                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 14:22             ` Jan Kara
     [not found]           ` <20160706085440.GD14067-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 13:54             ` Seth Forshee
     [not found] ` <87ziq03qnj.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 01/11] fs: Refuse uid/gid changes which don't map into s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-04  8:52   ` [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support Jan Kara
2016-07-06 13:44   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-06 13:44   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-06 13:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <CALCETrVof174gPCZnD2Z-RMjR-P=NcA0mYCU9ki6=o9hpFL-BA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 15:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 15:21         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 14:01   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-06 14:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-06 15:19     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2016-07-06 15:19       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 14:01   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-06 18:10   ` [PATCH review 0/12] General unprivileged mount support v2 Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:10     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <874m82bptc.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 18:12       ` [PATCH review 01/12] fs: Refuse uid/gid changes which don't map into s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 02/12] userns: Handle -1 in k[ug]id_has_mapping when !CONFIG_USER_NS Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 03/12] vfs: Verify acls are valid within superblock's s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 04/12] fs: Check for invalid i_uid in may_follow_link() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 05/12] cred: Reject inodes with invalid ids in set_create_file_as() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 08/12] quota: Ensure qids map to the filesystem Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160706181212.16267-8-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 10:14             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-11 10:14               ` Jan Kara
     [not found]               ` <20160711101424.GH12410-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 18:12                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-11 18:12                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <878tx8dowu.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13  1:34                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-13  1:34                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-13  3:45                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-13  3:45                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-13  5:43                       ` Jann Horn
2016-07-13  5:43                         ` Jann Horn
     [not found]                         ` <20160713054358.GB28635-J1fxOzX/cBvk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14 17:03                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-14 17:03                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-11 18:12                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 09/12] quota: Handle quota data stored in s_user_ns in quota_setxquota Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160706181212.16267-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 02/12] userns: Handle -1 in k[ug]id_has_mapping when !CONFIG_USER_NS Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 03/12] vfs: Verify acls are valid within superblock's s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 04/12] fs: Check for invalid i_uid in may_follow_link() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 05/12] cred: Reject inodes with invalid ids in set_create_file_as() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 06/12] vfs: Don't modify inodes with a uid or gid unknown to the vfs Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 07/12] vfs: Don't create " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 08/12] quota: Ensure qids map to the filesystem Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 09/12] quota: Handle quota data stored in s_user_ns in quota_setxquota Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 10/12] dquot: For now explicitly don't support filesystems outside of init_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-11 10:09             ` Jan Kara
     [not found]             ` <20160706181212.16267-10-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 10:09               ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 18:12           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 11/12] evm: Translate user/group ids relative to s_user_ns when computing HMAC Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 12/12] fs: Update i_[ug]id_(read|write) to translate relative to s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-07-02 17:18 [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support Eric W. Biederman

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