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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	kwolf@redhat.com, aliguori@us.ibm.com, stefanha@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	prerna@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache control support
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:41:51 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wrjpbcmw.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110317142122.GA27717@lst.de>

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:21:22 +0100, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 03:36:08PM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > OK, under what circumstances could it fail?
> > 
> > If you're using this mechanism to indicate that the host doesn't support
> > the feature, that's making an assumption about the nature of config
> > space writes which isn't true for non-PCI virtio.
> > 
> > ie. lguest and S/390 don't trap writes to config space.
> > 
> > Or perhaps they should?  But we should be explicit about needing it...
> 
> We have the features flag to indicate if updating the caching mode is
> supported, but we we could still fail it for other reasons - e.g. we could fail
> to reopen the file with/without O_SYNC.

OK, then I think you need to make it a real command and feed it into the
request queue.

The theory behind config space is that it's for advertising, not for
interaction.  And it's not ever very good at that...

>  But if lguest or S/390 don't support
> trapping config space write this feature won't work for them at all.  As do
> other features that make use of config space write, e.g. updating the MAC
> address for virtio-net.

Yes, and that was a mistake.  What does qemu do with a partially-written
MAC address?  Lguest ignores it, what does S/390 do?

Alex?

Cheers,
Rusty.

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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, aliguori@us.ibm.com, stefanha@gmail.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	prerna@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache control support
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:41:51 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wrjpbcmw.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110317142122.GA27717@lst.de>

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:21:22 +0100, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 03:36:08PM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > OK, under what circumstances could it fail?
> > 
> > If you're using this mechanism to indicate that the host doesn't support
> > the feature, that's making an assumption about the nature of config
> > space writes which isn't true for non-PCI virtio.
> > 
> > ie. lguest and S/390 don't trap writes to config space.
> > 
> > Or perhaps they should?  But we should be explicit about needing it...
> 
> We have the features flag to indicate if updating the caching mode is
> supported, but we we could still fail it for other reasons - e.g. we could fail
> to reopen the file with/without O_SYNC.

OK, then I think you need to make it a real command and feed it into the
request queue.

The theory behind config space is that it's for advertising, not for
interaction.  And it's not ever very good at that...

>  But if lguest or S/390 don't support
> trapping config space write this feature won't work for them at all.  As do
> other features that make use of config space write, e.g. updating the MAC
> address for virtio-net.

Yes, and that was a mistake.  What does qemu do with a partially-written
MAC address?  Lguest ignores it, what does S/390 do?

Alex?

Cheers,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-24  0:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-15 14:10 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH, RFC 0/4] allow guest control of the volatile write cache Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-15 14:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] block: clarify the meaning of BDRV_O_NOCACHE Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-16  9:42   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-16  9:55     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-16 14:08     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-16 17:00       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-17  9:07         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-17  9:18           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-15 14:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] block: add a helper to change writeback mode on the fly Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-15 14:11   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] ide: wire up setfeatures cache control Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-15 14:11   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] virtio-blk: add runtime " Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-16  9:49   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2/4] block: add a helper to change writeback mode on the fly Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-16  9:59     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-17 14:44   ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-03-17 15:11     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-17 16:44       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-19  8:28         ` Blue Swirl
2011-03-15 14:16 ` [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache control support Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-15 14:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-16  4:09   ` Rusty Russell
2011-03-16  4:09     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2011-03-16 14:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-16 14:09       ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-17  5:06       ` Rusty Russell
2011-03-17  5:06         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2011-03-17 14:21         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-17 14:21           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-24  0:11           ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2011-03-24  0:11             ` Rusty Russell
2011-03-24  3:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-24  3:11             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-24  3:05         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-24  3:05           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-03-24  9:54           ` Christian Borntraeger
2011-03-24  9:54             ` [Qemu-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2011-03-25  5:08             ` Rusty Russell
2011-03-25  5:08               ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell

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