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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Suresh B Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Asit K Mallick <asit.k.mallick@intel.com>,
	Arjan Dan De Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-pm <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:10:33 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zk8iioam.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1338842001.28282.135.camel@twins>

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 22:33:21 +0200, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> 
> > I understand what you are trying to do, though I completely disagree
> > with the solution.
> > 
> > The main problem of the current hotplug code is that it is an all or
> > nothing approach. You have to tear down the whole thing completely
> > instead of just taking it out of the usable set of cpus.
> > 
> > I'm working on a proper state machine driven online/offline sequence,
> > where you can put the cpu into an intermediate state which avoids
> > bringing it down completely. This is enough to get the full
> > powersaving benefits w/o having to go through all the synchronization
> > states of a full online/offline. That will shorten the onlining time
> > of an previously offlined cpu to almost nothing.
> > 
> > I really want to avoid adding more bandaids to the hotplug code before
> > we have sorted out the existing horror.
> 
> Its far worse.. you shouldn't _ever_ care about hotplug latency unless
> you've got absolutely braindead hardware. We all now ARM has been
> particularly creative here, but is Intel now trying to trump ARM at
> stupid?

I disagree.  Deactivating a cpu for power saving is halfway to hotplug
anyway.  I'd rather unify the two cases, where we can specify how dead a
CPU should be, than have individual archs and boards do random hacks.

It also gives us a great excuse to audit and neaten various of the
hotplug cpu callbacks; most of the ones I've looked at have been racy :(

The ones which simply want to keep per-cpu stats can be given a nice
helper with two simple callbacks: one to empty stats for a going-away
cpu, and (maybe) one to restore them.

The per-cpu kthreads should no longer get torn down and recreated, and
doing it via a separate notifier function is ugly and error-prone.  My
plan is a "bool kthread_cpu_going(void)" and then a "void
kthread_cpu_can_go(void)", so kthreads can do:

        if (kthread_cpu_going()) {
                /* Do any cleanup we need. */
                ...

                /* This returns when CPU comes back. */
                kthread_cpu_can_go();
        }

Yeah, we should probably have the kthread exit inside
kthread_cpu_can_go() if they stop the kthread, but that's a detail.

Cheers,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-05  1:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-04 18:17 [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 1/6] x86/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt: Add wakeup_cpu_via_init kernel parameter help Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86/head_32.S/head_64.S: Kernel entry code after waking up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 3/6] x86/smpboot.c: Wake " Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:58   ` Suresh Siddha
2012-06-04 19:35     ` Yu, Fenghua
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 4/6] x86/apic_flat_64.c: Wakeup function in apic calls mwait or nmi method Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 5/6] x86/x2apic_cluster.c: Wakeup function in x2apic_cluster " Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/x2apic_phys.c: Wakeup function in x2apic_phys " Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 20:11 ` [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 20:18   ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-04 22:52     ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 20:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05  0:40     ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2012-06-05  1:23       ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05  7:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 14:17         ` Alan Stern
2012-06-05 15:27           ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05  7:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 16:02         ` Yu, Fenghua
2012-06-05 16:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 16:18             ` Yu, Fenghua
2012-06-05 16:19               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 17:44                 ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-05 17:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:43                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 19:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:49                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:51                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 19:52                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 20:47                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 21:30                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 22:09                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-06  8:23                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06  8:30                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06  8:40                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 22:12                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06  8:40                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06  8:42                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 14:44                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 15:46                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 23:20                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-08  9:20                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06  8:43                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 14:41                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 15:23                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-06 15:48                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 15:49                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 16:59                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 21:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-05 21:37                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 22:00                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 12:17                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 14:43                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-05 19:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 20:58                       ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-05 21:15                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 21:33                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 23:13                             ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-06  1:52                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 18:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:54                     ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-05 19:56                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05  9:36       ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 13:41         ` [PATCH] kthread: Implement park/unpark facility Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 14:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 14:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07  0:04             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-10  5:40           ` Rusty Russell
2012-06-11  9:26             ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-12  0:23               ` Rusty Russell
2012-06-05 15:35   ` [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Jiang Liu

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