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From: Dave McCracken <dmccr@us.ibm.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
Cc: mika.penttila@kolumbus.fi, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Race between vmtruncate and mapped areas?
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:05:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99000000.1052935556@baldur.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030514105706.628fba15.akpm@digeo.com>


--On Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:57:06 -0700 Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
wrote:

> yes.  It's a very complex way of allocating anonymous memory.

Yep.  And randomly, at that.

> I am told that Stephen, Linus and others discussed this at length at KS a
> couple of years ago and the upshot was that the application is racy anyway
> and there's nothing wrong with it.
> 
> Hugh calls these "Morton pages" but it wasn't me and nobody saw me do it.
> 
> It would be nice to make them go away - they cause problems.

Definitely.  We almost have the pieces necessary to detect it and/or
prevent it, but the info isn't in quite the right layer at the right time.
If it weren't for the lock order problem with mmap_sem we could have nailed
it that way.  Sigh.

Dave

======================================================================
Dave McCracken          IBM Linux Base Kernel Team      1-512-838-3059
dmccr@us.ibm.com                                        T/L   678-3059


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From: Dave McCracken <dmccr@us.ibm.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
Cc: mika.penttila@kolumbus.fi, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Race between vmtruncate and mapped areas?
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:05:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99000000.1052935556@baldur.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030514105706.628fba15.akpm@digeo.com>

--On Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:57:06 -0700 Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
wrote:

> yes.  It's a very complex way of allocating anonymous memory.

Yep.  And randomly, at that.

> I am told that Stephen, Linus and others discussed this at length at KS a
> couple of years ago and the upshot was that the application is racy anyway
> and there's nothing wrong with it.
> 
> Hugh calls these "Morton pages" but it wasn't me and nobody saw me do it.
> 
> It would be nice to make them go away - they cause problems.

Definitely.  We almost have the pieces necessary to detect it and/or
prevent it, but the info isn't in quite the right layer at the right time.
If it weren't for the lock order problem with mmap_sem we could have nailed
it that way.  Sigh.

Dave

======================================================================
Dave McCracken          IBM Linux Base Kernel Team      1-512-838-3059
dmccr@us.ibm.com                                        T/L   678-3059

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-14 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-13 20:44 Race between vmtruncate and mapped areas? Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 20:44 ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 20:58 ` Mika Penttilä
2003-05-13 20:58   ` Mika Penttilä
2003-05-13 21:04   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 21:04     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 22:26   ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 22:26     ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 22:49     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 22:49       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:00       ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 23:11         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:11           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:16           ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 23:16             ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 23:20             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:20               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:28               ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 23:28                 ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-13 23:29                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:29                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:16         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 23:16           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-14  1:10         ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14  1:10           ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 15:02           ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 15:02             ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14  1:10     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14  1:10       ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 15:02       ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 15:02         ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 15:06         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-14 15:06           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-14 15:25           ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 15:25             ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 16:42           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-05-14 16:42             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-05-14 17:34         ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 17:34           ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 17:42           ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 17:42             ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 17:57             ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 17:57               ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 18:05               ` Dave McCracken [this message]
2003-05-14 18:05                 ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 18:17                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 18:17                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 18:24                   ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 18:24                     ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 18:53                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-14 18:53                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  8:50                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  8:50                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-14 19:02               ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-14 19:02                 ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-14 19:04                 ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-14 19:04                   ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-14 19:07                   ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 19:07                     ` Dave McCracken
2003-05-14 19:11                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-14 19:11                       ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-15  0:49             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  0:49               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  2:36               ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-15  2:36                 ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-15  9:46                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  9:46                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  9:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  9:55                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  8:32               ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  8:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  8:42                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  8:42                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  8:55                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  8:55                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  9:20                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  9:20                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  9:40                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  9:40                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15  9:58                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15  9:58                         ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-15 16:38                       ` Daniel McNeil
2003-05-15 19:19                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15 19:19                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15 22:04                           ` Daniel McNeil
2003-05-15 22:04                             ` Daniel McNeil
2003-05-15 23:17                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-15 23:17                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-17  0:27                               ` Daniel McNeil
2003-05-17  0:27                                 ` Daniel McNeil
2003-05-17 17:29                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-17 17:29                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-13 21:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-13 21:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-17 18:19 Paul McKenney
2003-05-17 18:19 ` Paul McKenney
2003-05-17 18:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-17 18:42   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-19 18:11 Paul McKenney
2003-05-19 18:11 ` Paul McKenney

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