From: "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@ventanamicro.com>
To: "Atish Patra" <atish.patra@linux.dev>, <kvm-riscv@lists.infradead.org>
Cc: <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Anup Patel" <anup@brainfault.org>,
"Atish Patra" <atishp@atishpatra.org>,
"Paul Walmsley" <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
"Alexandre Ghiti" <alex@ghiti.fr>,
"Andrew Jones" <ajones@ventanamicro.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/2] RISC-V: KVM: VCPU reset fixes
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 09:17:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DA3CUGMQXZNW.2BF5WWE4ANFS0@ventanamicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1a7a81fd-cf15-4b54-a805-32d66ced4517@linux.dev>
2025-05-22T14:43:40-07:00, Atish Patra <atish.patra@linux.dev>:
> On 5/15/25 7:37 AM, Radim KrÄmáŠwrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> the design still requires a discussion.
>>
>> [v3 1/2] removes most of the additional changes that the KVM capability
>> was doing in v2. [v3 2/2] is new and previews a general solution to the
>> lack of userspace control over KVM SBI.
>>
>
> I am still missing the motivation behind it. If the motivation is SBI
> HSM suspend, the PATCH2 doesn't achieve that as it forwards every call
> to the user space. Why do you want to control hsm start/stop from the
> user space ?
HSM needs fixing, because KVM doesn't know what the state after
sbi_hart_start should be.
For example, we had a discussion about scounteren and regardless of what
default we choose in KVM, the userspace might want a different value.
I don't think that HSM start/stop is a hot path, so trapping to
userspace seems better than adding more kernel code.
Forwarding all the unimplemented SBI ecalls shouldn't be a performance
issue, because S-mode software would hopefully learn after the first
error and stop trying again.
Allowing userspace to fully implement the ecall instruction one of the
motivations as well -- SBI is not a part of RISC-V ISA, so someone might
be interested in accelerating a different M-mode software with KVM.
I'll send v4 later today -- there is a missing part in [2/2], because
userspace also needs to be able to emulate the base SBI extension.
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From: "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@ventanamicro.com>
To: "Atish Patra" <atish.patra@linux.dev>, <kvm-riscv@lists.infradead.org>
Cc: <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Anup Patel" <anup@brainfault.org>,
"Atish Patra" <atishp@atishpatra.org>,
"Paul Walmsley" <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
"Alexandre Ghiti" <alex@ghiti.fr>,
"Andrew Jones" <ajones@ventanamicro.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/2] RISC-V: KVM: VCPU reset fixes
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 09:17:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DA3CUGMQXZNW.2BF5WWE4ANFS0@ventanamicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1a7a81fd-cf15-4b54-a805-32d66ced4517@linux.dev>
2025-05-22T14:43:40-07:00, Atish Patra <atish.patra@linux.dev>:
> On 5/15/25 7:37 AM, Radim KrÄmáŠwrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> the design still requires a discussion.
>>
>> [v3 1/2] removes most of the additional changes that the KVM capability
>> was doing in v2. [v3 2/2] is new and previews a general solution to the
>> lack of userspace control over KVM SBI.
>>
>
> I am still missing the motivation behind it. If the motivation is SBI
> HSM suspend, the PATCH2 doesn't achieve that as it forwards every call
> to the user space. Why do you want to control hsm start/stop from the
> user space ?
HSM needs fixing, because KVM doesn't know what the state after
sbi_hart_start should be.
For example, we had a discussion about scounteren and regardless of what
default we choose in KVM, the userspace might want a different value.
I don't think that HSM start/stop is a hot path, so trapping to
userspace seems better than adding more kernel code.
Forwarding all the unimplemented SBI ecalls shouldn't be a performance
issue, because S-mode software would hopefully learn after the first
error and stop trying again.
Allowing userspace to fully implement the ecall instruction one of the
motivations as well -- SBI is not a part of RISC-V ISA, so someone might
be interested in accelerating a different M-mode software with KVM.
I'll send v4 later today -- there is a missing part in [2/2], because
userspace also needs to be able to emulate the base SBI extension.
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From: "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@ventanamicro.com>
To: "Atish Patra" <atish.patra@linux.dev>, <kvm-riscv@lists.infradead.org>
Cc: <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Anup Patel" <anup@brainfault.org>,
"Atish Patra" <atishp@atishpatra.org>,
"Paul Walmsley" <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
"Alexandre Ghiti" <alex@ghiti.fr>,
"Andrew Jones" <ajones@ventanamicro.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/2] RISC-V: KVM: VCPU reset fixes
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 09:17:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DA3CUGMQXZNW.2BF5WWE4ANFS0@ventanamicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1a7a81fd-cf15-4b54-a805-32d66ced4517@linux.dev>
2025-05-22T14:43:40-07:00, Atish Patra <atish.patra@linux.dev>:
> On 5/15/25 7:37 AM, Radim KrÄmáŠwrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> the design still requires a discussion.
>>
>> [v3 1/2] removes most of the additional changes that the KVM capability
>> was doing in v2. [v3 2/2] is new and previews a general solution to the
>> lack of userspace control over KVM SBI.
>>
>
> I am still missing the motivation behind it. If the motivation is SBI
> HSM suspend, the PATCH2 doesn't achieve that as it forwards every call
> to the user space. Why do you want to control hsm start/stop from the
> user space ?
HSM needs fixing, because KVM doesn't know what the state after
sbi_hart_start should be.
For example, we had a discussion about scounteren and regardless of what
default we choose in KVM, the userspace might want a different value.
I don't think that HSM start/stop is a hot path, so trapping to
userspace seems better than adding more kernel code.
Forwarding all the unimplemented SBI ecalls shouldn't be a performance
issue, because S-mode software would hopefully learn after the first
error and stop trying again.
Allowing userspace to fully implement the ecall instruction one of the
motivations as well -- SBI is not a part of RISC-V ISA, so someone might
be interested in accelerating a different M-mode software with KVM.
I'll send v4 later today -- there is a missing part in [2/2], because
userspace also needs to be able to emulate the base SBI extension.
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Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-15 14:37 [PATCH v3 0/2] RISC-V: KVM: VCPU reset fixes Radim Krčmář
2025-05-15 14:37 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-15 14:37 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-15 14:37 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] RISC-V: KVM: add KVM_CAP_RISCV_MP_STATE_RESET Radim Krčmář
2025-05-15 14:37 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-15 14:37 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-16 12:25 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-16 12:25 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-16 12:25 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-19 12:25 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-19 12:25 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-19 12:25 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-20 15:43 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-20 15:43 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-20 15:43 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-15 14:37 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] RISC-V: KVM: add KVM_CAP_RISCV_USERSPACE_SBI Radim Krčmář
2025-05-15 14:37 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-15 14:37 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-22 21:43 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] RISC-V: KVM: VCPU reset fixes Atish Patra
2025-05-22 21:43 ` Atish Patra
2025-05-22 21:43 ` Atish Patra
2025-05-23 7:17 ` Radim Krčmář [this message]
2025-05-23 7:17 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-23 7:17 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-23 8:08 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-23 8:08 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-23 8:08 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-23 9:20 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-23 9:20 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-23 9:20 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-05-23 17:44 ` Atish Patra
2025-05-23 17:44 ` Atish Patra
2025-05-23 17:44 ` Atish Patra
2025-05-24 9:59 ` Anup Patel
2025-05-24 9:59 ` Anup Patel
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