From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
"Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
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"Boris Brezillon" <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/4] rust: clk: use the type-state pattern
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2026 13:00:45 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DKF0BU8N7JJX.T802R11VZ0A5@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DKEO7DXQ8604.1CB09QFM2EO68@garyguo.net>
On Mon Aug 3, 2026 at 3:30 AM JST, Gary Guo wrote:
> On Mon Jul 6, 2026 at 3:37 PM BST, Daniel Almeida wrote:
<...>
>> It solves d) by directly encoding the state of the Clk into the type, e.g.:
>> Clk<Enabled> is now known to be a Clk that is enabled.
>
> The design conflate states with actions. Our existing type state for devices
> don't do this: `Device<Bound>` means that the device is currently bound, not
> that dropping it will unbind it. Yet, a `Clk<Prepared>` doesn't mean just that
> "clock is prepared" but rather "clock is prepared and needs to be unprepared on
> drop".
>
> One way around this is to mimic the "Registration" pattern: have a type to
> indicate that a `Clk` has been prepared and its `drop` will undo it, and then
> this type can `Deref` to `Clk<Prepared>` which just mean a prepared clock.
Just as the driver core hands over `&Device<Bound>` to a driver as a
guarantee that the device is currently bound, so can the driver pass a
`&Clk<Prepared>` to a function to assert a similar proof. Here the
reference only means "clock is prepared", without any action implied.
The typestate has real practical benefits, as unlike `Device` which has
a well-defined life cycle entirely controlled by the driver core, clock
handles are owned by drivers and their use can go all over the place.
Driver A might want to enable a clock in short bursts in order to
preserve power, and keep it prepared otherwise. For this, a
`Clk<Prepared>` with the `EnabledGuard` I mentioned in patch 2 would be
a good fit. Driver B might need to keep a given clock enabled all the
time and only change its rate, and thus will store a `Clk<Enabled>`.
Driver C may have different PM states, and can encode these in an enum
where relevant clocks are either `Prepared` or `Enabled` depending on
the variant.
Mandating a registration-like pattern here looks a bit overkill to me
and I am not sure what this would grant us. It would definitely
introduce some complexity: say that you want to keep a prepared clock in
your driver data, does it mean you need to store the `Clk` itself, and
then its prepared guard, which references the `Clk` in the same
structure?
I guess it's fine if we enable this pattern via the storage of a
`Clk<Unprepared>` and the relevant use of guards, as it may be the
correct fit for a few drivers; but that's not how most drivers use
clocks, so we should also allow them to store their resource in a more
advanced state.
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From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
"Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
"Drew Fustini" <fustini@kernel.org>,
"Guo Ren" <guoren@kernel.org>, "Fu Wei" <wefu@redhat.com>,
"Uwe Kleine-König" <ukleinek@kernel.org>,
"Michael Turquette" <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
"Stephen Boyd" <sboyd@kernel.org>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Michal Wilczynski" <m.wilczynski@samsung.com>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
linux-pwm@vger.kernel.org, linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
"Boris Brezillon" <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>, Maurice <mhi@mailbox.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/4] rust: clk: use the type-state pattern
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2026 13:00:45 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DKF0BU8N7JJX.T802R11VZ0A5@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DKEO7DXQ8604.1CB09QFM2EO68@garyguo.net>
On Mon Aug 3, 2026 at 3:30 AM JST, Gary Guo wrote:
> On Mon Jul 6, 2026 at 3:37 PM BST, Daniel Almeida wrote:
<...>
>> It solves d) by directly encoding the state of the Clk into the type, e.g.:
>> Clk<Enabled> is now known to be a Clk that is enabled.
>
> The design conflate states with actions. Our existing type state for devices
> don't do this: `Device<Bound>` means that the device is currently bound, not
> that dropping it will unbind it. Yet, a `Clk<Prepared>` doesn't mean just that
> "clock is prepared" but rather "clock is prepared and needs to be unprepared on
> drop".
>
> One way around this is to mimic the "Registration" pattern: have a type to
> indicate that a `Clk` has been prepared and its `drop` will undo it, and then
> this type can `Deref` to `Clk<Prepared>` which just mean a prepared clock.
Just as the driver core hands over `&Device<Bound>` to a driver as a
guarantee that the device is currently bound, so can the driver pass a
`&Clk<Prepared>` to a function to assert a similar proof. Here the
reference only means "clock is prepared", without any action implied.
The typestate has real practical benefits, as unlike `Device` which has
a well-defined life cycle entirely controlled by the driver core, clock
handles are owned by drivers and their use can go all over the place.
Driver A might want to enable a clock in short bursts in order to
preserve power, and keep it prepared otherwise. For this, a
`Clk<Prepared>` with the `EnabledGuard` I mentioned in patch 2 would be
a good fit. Driver B might need to keep a given clock enabled all the
time and only change its rate, and thus will store a `Clk<Enabled>`.
Driver C may have different PM states, and can encode these in an enum
where relevant clocks are either `Prepared` or `Enabled` depending on
the variant.
Mandating a registration-like pattern here looks a bit overkill to me
and I am not sure what this would grant us. It would definitely
introduce some complexity: say that you want to keep a prepared clock in
your driver data, does it mean you need to store the `Clk` itself, and
then its prepared guard, which references the `Clk` in the same
structure?
I guess it's fine if we enable this pattern via the storage of a
`Clk<Unprepared>` and the relevant use of guards, as it may be the
correct fit for a few drivers; but that's not how most drivers use
clocks, so we should also allow them to store their resource in a more
advanced state.
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-06 14:37 [PATCH v5 0/4] Clk improvements Daniel Almeida
2026-07-06 14:37 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-07-06 14:37 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] rust: clk: use the type-state pattern Daniel Almeida
2026-07-06 14:37 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-08-01 14:33 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-01 14:33 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-02 18:30 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-02 18:30 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-03 4:00 ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]
2026-08-03 4:00 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-03 12:29 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-03 12:29 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-06 13:54 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-06 13:54 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-07-06 14:37 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] rust: clk: implement Clone for Clk<T> Daniel Almeida
2026-07-06 14:37 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-08-02 1:05 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-02 1:05 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-02 18:32 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-02 18:32 ` Gary Guo
2026-07-06 14:37 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] rust: clk: add devres-managed clks Daniel Almeida
2026-07-06 14:37 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-07-06 14:51 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-01 11:22 ` Onur Özkan
2026-08-01 11:22 ` Onur Özkan
2026-08-02 5:24 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-02 5:24 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-02 18:34 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-02 18:34 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-03 3:57 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-03 3:57 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-03 12:32 ` Gary Guo
2026-08-03 12:32 ` Gary Guo
2026-07-06 14:37 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] rust: clk: use 'kernel vertical style' for imports Daniel Almeida
2026-07-06 14:37 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-08-01 17:44 ` Onur Özkan
2026-08-01 17:44 ` Onur Özkan
2026-08-02 5:36 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-02 5:36 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-07-31 18:37 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] Clk improvements Maurice Hieronymus
2026-07-31 18:37 ` Maurice Hieronymus
2026-07-31 21:32 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-07-31 21:32 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-08-03 13:06 ` Brian Masney
2026-08-03 13:06 ` Brian Masney
2026-08-03 13:24 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-08-03 13:24 ` Daniel Almeida
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