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From: jdl@jdl.com (Jon Loeliger)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:08:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1XLu15-0002DP-6o@jdl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140825093931.GB2399@ulmo>

> 

> Anyway, instead of going back and forth between "deferred probe is good"
> and "deferred probe is bad", how about we do something useful now and
> concentrate on how to make use of the information we have in DT with the
> goal to reduce the number of cases where deferred probing is required?

Good idea.

The proposal on the table is to allow the probe code
to make a topological sort of the devices based on
dependency information either implied, explicitly stated
or both.  That is likely a fundamentally correct approach.

I believe some of the issues that need to be resolved are:

    1) What constitutes a dependency?
    2) How is that dependency expressed?
    3) How do we add missing dependencies?
    4) Backward compatability problems.

There are other questions, of course.  Is it a topsort
per bus?  Are there required "early devices"?  Should
the inter-node dependencies be expressed at each node,
or in a separate hierarchy within the DTS?  Others.

HTH,
jdl

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"grant.likely@linaro.org" <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:08:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1XLu15-0002DP-6o@jdl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140825093931.GB2399@ulmo>

> 

> Anyway, instead of going back and forth between "deferred probe is good"
> and "deferred probe is bad", how about we do something useful now and
> concentrate on how to make use of the information we have in DT with the
> goal to reduce the number of cases where deferred probing is required?

Good idea.

The proposal on the table is to allow the probe code
to make a topological sort of the devices based on
dependency information either implied, explicitly stated
or both.  That is likely a fundamentally correct approach.

I believe some of the issues that need to be resolved are:

    1) What constitutes a dependency?
    2) How is that dependency expressed?
    3) How do we add missing dependencies?
    4) Backward compatability problems.

There are other questions, of course.  Is it a topsort
per bus?  Are there required "early devices"?  Should
the inter-node dependencies be expressed at each node,
or in a separate hierarchy within the DTS?  Others.

HTH,
jdl

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>,
	"grant.likely@linaro.org" <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:08:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1XLu15-0002DP-6o@jdl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140825093931.GB2399@ulmo>

> 

> Anyway, instead of going back and forth between "deferred probe is good"
> and "deferred probe is bad", how about we do something useful now and
> concentrate on how to make use of the information we have in DT with the
> goal to reduce the number of cases where deferred probing is required?

Good idea.

The proposal on the table is to allow the probe code
to make a topological sort of the devices based on
dependency information either implied, explicitly stated
or both.  That is likely a fundamentally correct approach.

I believe some of the issues that need to be resolved are:

    1) What constitutes a dependency?
    2) How is that dependency expressed?
    3) How do we add missing dependencies?
    4) Backward compatability problems.

There are other questions, of course.  Is it a topsort
per bus?  Are there required "early devices"?  Should
the inter-node dependencies be expressed at each node,
or in a separate hierarchy within the DTS?  Others.

HTH,
jdl

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-25 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 241+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 12:16   ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-17 12:16     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-17 12:16     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 12:35       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 15:38       ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-19 15:49       ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-19 17:26         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 17:26           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 17:26           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-27 20:02       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:02         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:02         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-27 20:31           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:49     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:49       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:49       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 20:06       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 20:06         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 20:06         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 21:10           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 11:00           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-16 11:00             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-16 11:00             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-18  9:53               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
     [not found]           ` <5373DBCF.1080503-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-16 17:31             ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31             ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31             ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 15:51       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-17 14:24       ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18 14:59         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19  8:41           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 20:38   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-12 22:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 22:58       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 22:58       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <537151FF.8070104-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54         ` [PATCH 0/3] add dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <1399971243-18153-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 1/3] deps: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 2/3] deps: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 3/3] deps: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 18:48         ` [PATCH] deps: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <1400006923-7950-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  1:55             ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <5372CD15.5020001-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  7:02                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:13     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:13     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:58       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:58       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:32       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 19:32         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 19:32         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40 ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27 ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:19   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:19   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 15:02     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:05       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:05       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:23       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:23         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:23         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30         ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:30           ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:45             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06             ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:06               ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:24               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:24                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:24                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 14:02   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 14:02     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 14:02     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 19:19     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 19:19       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 19:19       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 13:19       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 13:19         ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 13:19         ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 15:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25  9:39           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25  9:39           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08           ` Jon Loeliger [this message]
2014-08-25 13:08             ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:08             ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:37             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:37               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:37               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:13               ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:13                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:13                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:41                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:41                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:42                 ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:42                 ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:49                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:42                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                     ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:11                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:24                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:24                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                       ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 10:34                         ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 14:44                         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 14:44                           ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 14:44                           ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 16:22                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:22                             ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:22                             ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:30                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:30                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:30                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                               ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:37                                 ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:58                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 17:52                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 17:52                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 17:52                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 18:14                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 18:14                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 18:14                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-28  9:23                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-29  1:43                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-29  1:43                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-29  1:43                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:25                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:25                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:25                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:44                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:44                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:08                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:23                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:23                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:47                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:47                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:47                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 12:00                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 12:00                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 13:58                                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 13:58                                   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 13:58                                   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 14:17                                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27  7:16                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  7:16                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  7:16                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51             ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:51               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:51               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  9:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:56                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:56                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54           ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26  9:54             ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26  9:54             ` Mark Rutland

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