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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Kristen Carlson Accardi
	<kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
	dave.hansen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org,
	tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-sgx-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
	x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	zhiquan1.li-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/18] x86/sgx: Add EPC OOM path to forcefully reclaim EPC
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 20:43:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y6oHjrLCbDzWh7nE@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y5duYxIHtSpK1qkj-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 06:09:39PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 12/9/22 08:05, Kristen Carlson Accardi wrote:
> > > Aside from that though, I don't think that killing enclaves makes sense
> > > outside the context of cgroup limits. 
> > 
> > I think it makes a lot of sense in theory.  Whatever situation we get
> > into with a cgroup's EPC we can also get into with the whole system's EPC.
> > 
> > *But*, it's orders of magnitude harder to hit on the whole system.
> 
> ...
> 
> > If someone wants to extend this OOM support to system-wide EPC later, then go
> > ahead.  But, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to invert this series for
> > it.
> 
> +1 from the peanut gallery.  With VMM EPC oversubscription suport, no sane VMM
> will oversubscribe VEPC pages.  And for VA pages, supporting swap of VA pages is
> likely a more userspace-friendly approach if system-wide EPC OOM is a concern.

When swapping VA pages the topology of the VA page cache for swapped VA
pages is the main question. It is compromise between how long swap-in and
swap-out can take, and how generic solution it be, meaning how deep
hierarchies you want to build, or is just a flat list of parent VA pages
"good enough".

Also, there's the question whether it should be a global cache, per cgroup
and so forth.

Implementing any solution is not overly complicated. Locking in these
options is what puzzles me.

BR, Jarkko

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, tj@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	zhiquan1.li@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/18] x86/sgx: Add EPC OOM path to forcefully reclaim EPC
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 20:43:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y6oHjrLCbDzWh7nE@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y5duYxIHtSpK1qkj@google.com>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 06:09:39PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 12/9/22 08:05, Kristen Carlson Accardi wrote:
> > > Aside from that though, I don't think that killing enclaves makes sense
> > > outside the context of cgroup limits. 
> > 
> > I think it makes a lot of sense in theory.  Whatever situation we get
> > into with a cgroup's EPC we can also get into with the whole system's EPC.
> > 
> > *But*, it's orders of magnitude harder to hit on the whole system.
> 
> ...
> 
> > If someone wants to extend this OOM support to system-wide EPC later, then go
> > ahead.  But, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to invert this series for
> > it.
> 
> +1 from the peanut gallery.  With VMM EPC oversubscription suport, no sane VMM
> will oversubscribe VEPC pages.  And for VA pages, supporting swap of VA pages is
> likely a more userspace-friendly approach if system-wide EPC OOM is a concern.

When swapping VA pages the topology of the VA page cache for swapped VA
pages is the main question. It is compromise between how long swap-in and
swap-out can take, and how generic solution it be, meaning how deep
hierarchies you want to build, or is just a flat list of parent VA pages
"good enough".

Also, there's the question whether it should be a global cache, per cgroup
and so forth.

Implementing any solution is not overly complicated. Locking in these
options is what puzzles me.

BR, Jarkko

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-12-26 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-02 18:36 [PATCH v2 00/18] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] Docs/x86/sgx: Add description for cgroup support Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found] ` <20221202183655.3767674-1-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 01/18] x86/sgx: Call cond_resched() at the end of sgx_reclaim_pages() Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-2-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:33       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:33         ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]         ` <37de083d-a63b-b2ff-d00a-e890a1ba5eea-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:37           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:37             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]             ` <da690a45a36038399c63ddac8f0efed9872ec13e.camel-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:45               ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:45                 ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                 ` <746adf31-e70c-e32d-a35d-72d352af613b-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:17                   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 22:17                     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]                     ` <307b43aa5908c489913110287044e611f574db0a.camel-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:37                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:37                         ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 02/18] x86/sgx: Store struct sgx_encl when allocating new VA pages Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-3-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:35       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:35         ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]         ` <3a789b1c-4c70-158b-d764-daec141a5816-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:40           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:40             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]             ` <abfc00a2ab1d97f8081c696f78e2d0ced23902b4.camel-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:48               ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:48                 ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                 ` <2015ae96-5459-1f82-596b-f46af08ef766-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:35                   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 22:35                     ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]                     ` <Y4p9nKV+jpLnOVwD-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:47                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:47                         ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                         ` <8b7f6993-2135-a9f9-63c5-c9c6112ef676-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:49                           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 22:49                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 03/18] x86/sgx: Add 'struct sgx_epc_lru_lists' to encapsulate lru list(s) Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-4-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:39       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:39         ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 15:31       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 15:31         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <Y5IDXF+6GmURxbYF-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08 18:03           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08 18:03             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 04/18] x86/sgx: Use sgx_epc_lru_lists for existing active page list Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-5-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:43       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:43         ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]         ` <ad1bcb0f-661d-a701-2175-c8750d8af8d8-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 21:51           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:51             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]             ` <d17c270bcbf631736d52b762dad8a6758d7dc951.camel-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:10               ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:10                 ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 05/18] x86/sgx: Track epc pages on reclaimable or unreclaimable lists Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-6-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:13       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:13         ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]         ` <1dccd2ec-cad8-b9d2-d66b-aebad21cdb44-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:28           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 22:28             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 06/18] x86/sgx: Introduce RECLAIM_IN_PROGRESS flag for EPC pages Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-7-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:15       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:15         ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 15:46       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 15:46         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <Y5IGzbNxOBkRoaRx-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08 18:13           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08 18:13             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 07/18] x86/sgx: Use a list to track to-be-reclaimed pages during reclaim Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-8-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-02 22:33       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:33         ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]         ` <0646275c-0ab9-2fad-8db1-7098656d6e1d-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-05 16:33           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-05 16:33             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]             ` <931e48dc399eddf8ad9f9dec8783f57df776daa9.camel-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-05 17:03               ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-05 17:03                 ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                 ` <6668e428-8e4a-0a44-d77c-a540c04d72ed-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-05 18:25                   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-05 18:25                     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 08/18] x86/sgx: Allow reclaiming up to 32 pages, but scan 16 by default Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-9-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08  9:26       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08  9:26         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <Y5GtyM92jE5/UJT3-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08  9:27           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08  9:27             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 09/18] x86/sgx: Return the number of EPC pages that were successfully reclaimed Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-10-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08  9:30       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08  9:30         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 10/18] x86/sgx: Add option to ignore age of page during EPC reclaim Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-11-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08  9:37       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08  9:37         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 11/18] x86/sgx: Prepare for multiple LRUs Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-12-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08  9:42       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08  9:42         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 12/18] x86/sgx: Expose sgx_reclaim_pages() for use by EPC cgroup Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-13-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08  9:46       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08  9:46         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 13/18] x86/sgx: Add helper to grab pages from an arbitrary EPC LRU Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08  9:56     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 14/18] x86/sgx: Add EPC OOM path to forcefully reclaim EPC Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-15-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08 15:21       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 15:21         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <Y5IBCOuF8X7jEK3+-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-09 16:05           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-09 16:05             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]             ` <cb5abce531c1b14118de419ba68c2a501b016873.camel-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-09 16:22               ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-09 16:22                 ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                 ` <e5aff02b-713c-ccd8-7211-d07ff6d7adb2-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-12 18:09                   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-12 18:09                     ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]                     ` <Y5duYxIHtSpK1qkj-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-26 20:43                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2022-12-26 20:43                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 15/18] cgroup/misc: Add per resource callbacks for css events Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-16-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08 14:53       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 14:53         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <Y5H6ZLz7HXSaTF30-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08 15:15           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 15:15             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 16/18] cgroup/misc: Prepare for SGX usage Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-17-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08 15:23       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 15:23         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36   ` [PATCH v2 17/18] x86/sgx: Add support for misc cgroup controller Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
     [not found]     ` <20221202183655.3767674-18-kristen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2022-12-08 15:30       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 15:30         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-04-03 21:26   ` [EXTERNAL] [PATCH v2 00/18] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Anand Krishnamoorthi
2023-04-03 21:26     ` Anand Krishnamoorthi
     [not found]     ` <DM6PR21MB11778ABA54CD33A5822D5B24C4929-3jJ4emchXQBypjffeKSS3s1VXTxX1y3OvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2023-04-13 18:49       ` Anand Krishnamoorthi
2023-04-13 18:49         ` Anand Krishnamoorthi
2023-04-18 16:44         ` Mikko Ylinen
2023-04-27 16:53           ` Anand Krishnamoorthi
2023-04-27 16:53             ` Anand Krishnamoorthi

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