PCI: latency

PCI: latency

[Subhashini Rao Beerisetty]

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Hi all,

We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
module for the PCIe bus?

Thanks,

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PCI: latency

[Subhashini Rao Beerisetty]

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Hi all,

We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
module for the PCIe bus?

Thanks,

Re: PCI: latency

[Greg KH]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 10:30:58PM +0530, Subhashini Rao Beerisetty wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
> PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
> module for the PCIe bus?

How exactly are you going to define PCIe latency?

And what is this going to be used for?

thanks,

greg k-h

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Re: PCI: latency

[Greg KH]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 10:30:58PM +0530, Subhashini Rao Beerisetty wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
> PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
> module for the PCIe bus?

How exactly are you going to define PCIe latency?

And what is this going to be used for?

thanks,

greg k-h

RE: latency

[David Laight]

From: Subhashini Rao Beerisetty <subhashbeerisetty@gmail.com>
> Sent: 03 December 2021 17:01
> 
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> Hi all,
> 
> We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
> PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
> module for the PCIe bus?

Slower than you expect :-)

Writes are asynchronous so really only limited by the actual speed
of the PCIe link and the rate the slave can process them.
So the actual latency of writes doesn't matter and the throughput
is reasonable.

Reads are much more problematic.
While the PCIe bus allows multiple outstanding read requests the
Intel x86 I've tested will only generate one outstanding request
for each cpu core.
So buffer reads are particularly slow.

The delays between on read completing and the next read TLP being
sent are (probably) negligible compared to the other delays.
So the latency of a read is just the time the two TLP take to
be transmitted over the wire (including delays for PCIe bridges)
plus the time the slave takes to generate the response TLP.
On the fpga slaves we are using that is (from memory) about 128
cycles of the 62.5MHz clock - ie absolutely ages.

For reads you definitely need to use the largest register size
possible - each read instruction (even misaligned ones) generates
exactly one read TLP.

If you are designing an interface for an fpga then consider using
writes from both sides for everything except bulk data.

You can (probably) measure the latency of your actual system using:
	x = rdtsc();
	v = readl();
	lfence;
	elapsed = rdtsc() - x;
However the TSC values depend on the current cpu frequency (which
will change 'randomly').
Or put the readl() into a loop and do enough that the high-res
system time delts makes sense.

	David

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RE: latency

[David Laight]

From: Subhashini Rao Beerisetty <subhashbeerisetty@gmail.com>
> Sent: 03 December 2021 17:01
> 
>  [ Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed to the list]
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
> PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
> module for the PCIe bus?

Slower than you expect :-)

Writes are asynchronous so really only limited by the actual speed
of the PCIe link and the rate the slave can process them.
So the actual latency of writes doesn't matter and the throughput
is reasonable.

Reads are much more problematic.
While the PCIe bus allows multiple outstanding read requests the
Intel x86 I've tested will only generate one outstanding request
for each cpu core.
So buffer reads are particularly slow.

The delays between on read completing and the next read TLP being
sent are (probably) negligible compared to the other delays.
So the latency of a read is just the time the two TLP take to
be transmitted over the wire (including delays for PCIe bridges)
plus the time the slave takes to generate the response TLP.
On the fpga slaves we are using that is (from memory) about 128
cycles of the 62.5MHz clock - ie absolutely ages.

For reads you definitely need to use the largest register size
possible - each read instruction (even misaligned ones) generates
exactly one read TLP.

If you are designing an interface for an fpga then consider using
writes from both sides for everything except bulk data.

You can (probably) measure the latency of your actual system using:
	x = rdtsc();
	v = readl();
	lfence;
	elapsed = rdtsc() - x;
However the TSC values depend on the current cpu frequency (which
will change 'randomly').
Or put the readl() into a loop and do enough that the high-res
system time delts makes sense.

	David

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Re: PCI: latency

[Bjorn Helgaas]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 10:30:58PM +0530, Subhashini Rao Beerisetty wrote:
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
> PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
> module for the PCIe bus?

No, unfortunately not.  Maybe perf could help, but I don't know enough
to give you any pointers.

There are a couple tune/trace things like [1], but they're specific to
hardware that you're probably not using.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/r/20211116090625.53702-1-yangyicong@hisilicon.com

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Re: PCI: latency

[Bjorn Helgaas]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 10:30:58PM +0530, Subhashini Rao Beerisetty wrote:
>  [ Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed to the list]
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are using the Linux OS on an x86_64 machine. I need to measure the
> PCIe latency on my system, does kernel have any latency measurement
> module for the PCIe bus?

No, unfortunately not.  Maybe perf could help, but I don't know enough
to give you any pointers.

There are a couple tune/trace things like [1], but they're specific to
hardware that you're probably not using.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/r/20211116090625.53702-1-yangyicong@hisilicon.com

PCI latency

[Giuliano Pochini]

The documentation of my card says I should set pci latency to 0xC0. What
is that latency ?  How do I change it ?


Bye.




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Re: PCI latency

[Jan "Evil Twin" Depner]

I've got some documentation on that on my web page -
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/ALSA_JACK_ARDOUR.html.

0xC0 is 192 decimal.  You can go up to 248.

Jan


On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 17:08, Giuliano Pochini wrote:
> 
> The documentation of my card says I should set pci latency to 0xC0. What
> is that latency ?  How do I change it ?
> 
> 
> Bye.
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