From: Nicolin Chen via <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>
To: Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
Cc: "eric.auger@redhat.com" <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for user-creatable accelerated SMMUv3
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 11:26:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z+L1UEKFjBRPqXWV@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ffff33965d2a4ed4a5bf22c1bda6d774@huawei.com>
On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 03:43:29PM +0000, Shameerali Kolothum Thodi wrote:
> > For the record I tested the series with host VFIO device and a
> > virtio-blk-pci device put behind the same pxb-pcie/smmu protection and
> > it works just fine
> >
> > -+-[0000:0a]-+-01.0-[0b]----00.0 Mellanox Technologies ConnectX Family
> > mlx5Gen Virtual Function
> > | \-01.1-[0c]----00.0 Red Hat, Inc. Virtio 1.0 block device
> > \-[0000:00]-+-00.0 Red Hat, Inc. QEMU PCIe Host bridge
> > +-01.0-[01]--
> > +-01.1-[02]--
> > \-02.0 Red Hat, Inc. QEMU PCIe Expander bridge
> >
> > This shows that without vcmdq feature there is no blocker having the
> > same smmu device protecting both accelerated and emulated devices.
>
> Thanks for giving it a spin. Yes, it currently supports the above.
>
> At the moment we are not using the IOTLB for the emulated dev for a
> config like above. Have you checked performance for either emulated or
> vfio dev with the above config? Whatever light tests I have done it shows
> performance degradation for emulated dev compared to the default
> SMMUv3(iommu=smmuv3).
>
> And if the emulated dev issues _TLBI_NH_ASID, the code currently will propagate
> that down to host SMMUv3. This will affect the vfio dev as well.
VA too. Only commands with an SID field can be simply excluded.
I think we should be concerned that the underlying SMMU CMDQ HW
has a very limited command executing power, so wasting command
cycles doesn't feel very ideal as it could impact the host OS
(and other VMs too).
Thanks
Nicolin
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From: Nicolin Chen via <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
To: Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
Cc: "eric.auger@redhat.com" <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for user-creatable accelerated SMMUv3
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 11:26:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z+L1UEKFjBRPqXWV@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ffff33965d2a4ed4a5bf22c1bda6d774@huawei.com>
On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 03:43:29PM +0000, Shameerali Kolothum Thodi wrote:
> > For the record I tested the series with host VFIO device and a
> > virtio-blk-pci device put behind the same pxb-pcie/smmu protection and
> > it works just fine
> >
> > -+-[0000:0a]-+-01.0-[0b]----00.0 Mellanox Technologies ConnectX Family
> > mlx5Gen Virtual Function
> > | \-01.1-[0c]----00.0 Red Hat, Inc. Virtio 1.0 block device
> > \-[0000:00]-+-00.0 Red Hat, Inc. QEMU PCIe Host bridge
> > +-01.0-[01]--
> > +-01.1-[02]--
> > \-02.0 Red Hat, Inc. QEMU PCIe Expander bridge
> >
> > This shows that without vcmdq feature there is no blocker having the
> > same smmu device protecting both accelerated and emulated devices.
>
> Thanks for giving it a spin. Yes, it currently supports the above.
>
> At the moment we are not using the IOTLB for the emulated dev for a
> config like above. Have you checked performance for either emulated or
> vfio dev with the above config? Whatever light tests I have done it shows
> performance degradation for emulated dev compared to the default
> SMMUv3(iommu=smmuv3).
>
> And if the emulated dev issues _TLBI_NH_ASID, the code currently will propagate
> that down to host SMMUv3. This will affect the vfio dev as well.
VA too. Only commands with an SID field can be simply excluded.
I think we should be concerned that the underlying SMMU CMDQ HW
has a very limited command executing power, so wasting command
cycles doesn't feel very ideal as it could impact the host OS
(and other VMs too).
Thanks
Nicolin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-25 18:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 172+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-11 14:10 [RFC PATCH v2 00/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for user-creatable accelerated SMMUv3 Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/20] backends/iommufd: Introduce iommufd_backend_alloc_viommu Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 15:20 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/20] backends/iommufd: Introduce iommufd_vdev_alloc Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 15:25 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Add initial infrastructure for smmuv3-accel device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 20:13 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 15:15 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-17 17:54 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-17 18:07 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-17 19:10 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-17 19:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-17 20:19 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-18 9:50 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-18 9:50 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-18 18:31 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 19:13 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-18 21:22 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 0:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 2:15 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 17:00 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 17:12 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 17:12 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 17:38 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 0:55 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 17:04 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 0:54 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-24 14:52 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 0:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 5:27 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 14:08 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 21:42 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 16:45 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 16:53 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 16:53 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 17:26 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 17:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 17:41 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 17:14 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-19 18:09 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 18:34 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 14:46 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 1:26 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-24 14:59 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for smmuv3-accel Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 20:22 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 9:44 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 15:36 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 15:46 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 15:46 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 16:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 16:22 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 16:27 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 17:34 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 18:30 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-13 8:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-13 15:22 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 22:49 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 9:28 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 9:28 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Associate a pxb-pcie bus Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 16:07 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 16:34 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 16:34 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 16:39 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-12 17:28 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 17:28 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-13 15:21 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 16:42 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-13 8:22 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-13 8:22 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-17 16:57 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 22:12 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 9:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 9:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 16:21 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 18:21 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 0:59 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-24 14:56 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-24 15:02 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-24 21:43 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-20 17:02 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 8:19 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 8:19 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 13:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-24 13:55 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 13:55 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 15:34 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-24 16:01 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 16:06 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 16:06 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 15:50 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/20] hw/arm/smmu-common: Factor out common helper functions and export Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 16:12 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/20] hw/arm/smmu-common: Introduce callbacks for PCIIOMMUOps Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 16:23 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-13 8:09 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-13 8:09 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-17 16:52 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 9:47 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 17:10 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Provide get_address_space callback Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 20:50 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 17:14 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Add set/unset_iommu_device callback Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 21:07 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-17 8:38 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-17 8:38 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-17 18:19 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 12:52 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Support nested STE install/uninstall support Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-25 18:08 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-25 19:33 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Allocate a vDEVICE object for device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-18 23:30 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-25 18:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Return sysmem if stage-1 is bypassed Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-25 18:47 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Introduce helpers to batch and issue cache invalidations Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 1:31 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 9:48 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 9:48 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 16:24 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 16:48 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-26 13:38 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:16 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 7:46 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-27 8:00 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 13:59 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/20] hw/arm/smmuv3: Install nested ste for CFGI_STE Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 13:39 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/20] hw/arm/smmuv3: Forward invalidation commands to hw Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 14:16 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:27 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 8:03 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 14:18 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Read host SMMUv3 device info Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 2:45 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-26 14:57 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/20] hw/arm/smmuv3: Check idr registers for STE_S1CDMAX and STE_S1STALLD Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 17:18 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:46 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 7:54 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-27 7:54 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-27 9:11 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-27 13:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/20] hw/arm/smmu-common: Bypass emulated IOTLB for a accel SMMUv3 Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 2:52 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-26 17:40 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:57 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/20] hw/arm/virt-acpi-build: Update IORT with multiple smmuv3-accel nodes Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 18:14 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 18:50 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 9:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-27 9:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Enable smmuv3-accel creation Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 16:40 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for user-creatable accelerated SMMUv3 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-19 17:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-25 14:42 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-25 15:43 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-25 18:26 ` Nicolin Chen via [this message]
2025-03-25 18:26 ` Nicolin Chen via
2025-03-25 18:52 ` Eric Auger
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