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From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: "Chang S. Bae" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>
Cc: <x86@kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	<dave.hansen@intel.com>, <seanjc@google.com>,
	<pbonzini@redhat.com>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>, <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
	<john.allen@amd.com>, <bp@alien8.de>, <xin3.li@intel.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Mitchell Levy <levymitchell0@gmail.com>,
	"Samuel Holland" <samuel.holland@sifive.com>,
	Aruna Ramakrishna <aruna.ramakrishna@oracle.com>,
	Vignesh Balasubramanian <vigbalas@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/8] x86/fpu/xstate: Add CET supervisor xfeature support
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 10:28:16 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z+ygwMmxRJQIRGoy@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d472f88d-96b3-4a57-a34f-2af6da0e2cc6@intel.com>

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 10:15:50AM -0700, Chang S. Bae wrote:
>On 3/18/2025 8:31 AM, Chao Gao wrote:
>> From: Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
>> 
>> To support CET virtualization, KVM needs the kernel to save and restore
>> the CET supervisor xstate in guest FPUs when switching between guest and
>> host FPUs.
>> 
>> Add CET supervisor xstate support in preparation for the upcoming CET
>> virtualization in KVM.
>> 
>> Currently, host FPUs do not utilize the CET supervisor xstate. Enabling
>> this state for host FPUs would lead to a 24-byte waste in the XSAVE buffer
>> on CET-capable parts.
>> 
>> Signed-off-by: Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
>> Reviewed-by: Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
>> Reviewed-by: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
>
>Placing this patch immediately after a few mainline fixes looks to suggest
>that supervisor CET state can be enabled as-is, implying that the follow-up
>patches are merely optional optimizations.

Yes, this is intentional. I mentioned it in the cover letter:

"""
Reorder the patches to put the CET supervisor state patch before the
"guest-only" optimization, allowing maintainers to easily adopt or omit the
optimization.
"""

>
>In V2, Dave provided feedback [1] when you placed this patch second out of
>six:

In my opinion, he wasn't referring to the patch introducing the CET supervisor
xstate (i.e., this patch). Rather, he requested that the patch making the CET
supervisor xstate a guest-only feature should follow the introduction of
fpu_guest_cfg and the relevant cleanups.

>
> > This series is starting to look backward to me.
> >
> > The normal way you do these things is that you introduce new
> > abstractions and refactor the code. Then you go adding features.
> >
> > For instance, this series should spend a few patches introducing
> > 'fpu_guest_cfg' and using it before ever introducing the concept of a
> > dynamic xfeature.
>
>In V3, you moved this patch further back to position 8 out of 10. Now, in
>this version, you've placed it at position 3 out of 8.
>
>This raises the question of whether you've fully internalized his advice.
>
>If your intent is to save kernel memory, the xstate infrastructure should
>first be properly adjusted. Specifically:
>
>  1. Initialize the VCPU’s default xfeature set and its XSAVE buffer
>     size.
>
>  2. Reference them in the two sites:
>
>    (a) for fpu->guest_perm
>
>    (b) at VCPU allocation time.
>
>  3. Introduce a new feature set (you named "guest supervisor state") as
>     a placeholder and integrate it into initialization, along with the
>     XSAVE sanity check.
>
>With these adjustments in place, you may consider enabling a new xfeature,
>defining it as a guest-supervisor state simply.

I believe you are suggesting that the CET supervisor xstate should be
introduced directly as a guest-only feature, rather than first introducing it
in one patch and then converting it to guest-only in a subsequent patch.

This is a valid point, and I have considered it. However, I chose to split them
into two patches because the guest-only aspect is merely an optimization, and
the decision on whether to accept it is still pending. This order and split-up
make it easier for maintainers to make a decision.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-02  2:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-18 15:31 [PATCH v4 0/8] Introduce CET supervisor state support Chao Gao
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 1/8] x86/fpu/xstate: Always preserve non-user xfeatures/flags in __state_perm Chao Gao
2025-04-01 17:17   ` Chang S. Bae
2025-04-01 17:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 2/8] x86/fpu: Drop @perm from guest pseudo FPU container Chao Gao
2025-04-01 17:16   ` Chang S. Bae
2025-04-02  1:56     ` Chao Gao
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 3/8] x86/fpu/xstate: Add CET supervisor xfeature support Chao Gao
2025-04-01 17:15   ` Chang S. Bae
2025-04-02  2:28     ` Chao Gao [this message]
2025-04-02 21:37     ` Dave Hansen
2025-04-03 13:26       ` Chao Gao
2025-04-03 14:04       ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 4/8] x86/fpu/xstate: Differentiate default features for host and guest FPUs Chao Gao
2025-04-01 17:18   ` Chang S. Bae
2025-04-02  3:16     ` Chao Gao
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 5/8] x86/fpu: Initialize guest FPU permissions from guest defaults Chao Gao
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 6/8] x86/fpu: Initialize guest fpstate and FPU pseudo container " Chao Gao
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 7/8] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce "guest-only" supervisor xfeature set Chao Gao
2025-04-01 17:16   ` Chang S. Bae
2025-04-02  4:29     ` Chao Gao
2025-03-18 15:31 ` [PATCH v4 8/8] x86/fpu/xstate: Warn if guest-only supervisor states are detected in normal fpstate Chao Gao
2025-04-01 17:17   ` Chang S. Bae
2025-04-02 14:30     ` Chao Gao
2025-04-04  0:02       ` Chang S. Bae
2025-04-04  1:06         ` Dave Hansen
2025-04-01 17:20 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Introduce CET supervisor state support Chang S. Bae
2025-04-02 21:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-02 21:35   ` Dave Hansen
2025-04-02 21:44     ` Sean Christopherson

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