From: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Kuan-Wei Chiu <visitorckw@gmail.com>,
tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
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jserv@ccns.ncku.edu.tw, Yu-Chun Lin <eleanor15x@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/17] bitops: Add generic parity calculation for u64
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:05:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z8CpaaHv0ahHFVuK@thinkpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250226222911.22cb0c18@pumpkin>
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:29:11PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:27:03 -0500
> Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com> wrote:
> ....
> > +#define parity(val) \
> > +({ \
> > + u64 __v = (val); \
> > + int __ret; \
> > + switch (BITS_PER_TYPE(val)) { \
> > + case 64: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 32; \
> > + fallthrough; \
> > + case 32: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 16; \
> > + fallthrough; \
> > + case 16: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 8; \
> > + fallthrough; \
> > + case 8: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 4; \
> > + __ret = (0x6996 >> (__v & 0xf)) & 1; \
> > + break; \
> > + default: \
> > + BUILD_BUG(); \
> > + } \
> > + __ret; \
> > +})
> > +
>
> You really don't want to do that!
> gcc makes a right hash of it for x86 (32bit).
> See https://www.godbolt.org/z/jG8dv3cvs
GCC fails to even understand this. Of course, the __v should be an
__auto_type. But that way GCC fails to understand that case 64 is
a dead code for all smaller type and throws a false-positive
Wshift-count-overflow. This is a known issue, unfixed for 25 years!
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4210
> You do better using a __v32 after the 64bit xor.
It should be an __auto_type. I already mentioned. So because of that,
we can either do something like this:
#define parity(val) \
({ \
#ifdef CLANG \
__auto_type __v = (val); \
#else /* GCC; because of this and that */ \
u64 __v = (val); \
#endif \
int __ret; \
Or simply disable Wshift-count-overflow for GCC.
> Even the 64bit version is probably sub-optimal (both gcc and clang).
> The whole lot ends up being a bit single register dependency chain.
> You want to do:
No, I don't. I want to have a sane compiler that does it for me.
> mov %eax, %edx
> shrl $n, %eax
> xor %edx, %eax
> so that the 'mov' and 'shrl' can happen in the same clock
> (without relying on the register-register move being optimised out).
>
> I dropped in the arm64 for an example of where the magic shift of 6996
> just adds an extra instruction.
It's still unclear to me that this parity thing is used in hot paths.
If that holds, it's unclear that your hand-made version is better than
what's generated by GCC.
Do you have any perf test?
Thanks,
Yury
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From: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Kuan-Wei Chiu <visitorckw@gmail.com>,
tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org, jk@ozlabs.org,
joel@jms.id.au, eajames@linux.ibm.com, andrzej.hajda@intel.com,
neil.armstrong@linaro.org, rfoss@kernel.org,
maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com, mripard@kernel.org,
tzimmermann@suse.de, airlied@gmail.com, simona@ffwll.ch,
dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com, mchehab@kernel.org,
awalls@md.metrocast.net, hverkuil@xs4all.nl,
miquel.raynal@bootlin.com, richard@nod.at, vigneshr@ti.com,
louis.peens@corigine.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, pabeni@redhat.com,
parthiban.veerasooran@microchip.com,
arend.vanspriel@broadcom.com, johannes@sipsolutions.net,
gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, jirislaby@kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com, alistair@popple.id.au,
linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk, Laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com,
jonas@kwiboo.se, jernej.skrabec@gmail.com, kuba@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsi@lists.ozlabs.org,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org,
linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
oss-drivers@corigine.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, brcm80211@lists.linux.dev,
brcm80211-dev-list.pdl@broadcom.com,
linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
jserv@ccns.ncku.edu.tw, Yu-Chun Lin <eleanor15x@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/17] bitops: Add generic parity calculation for u64
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:05:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z8CpaaHv0ahHFVuK@thinkpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250226222911.22cb0c18@pumpkin>
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:29:11PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:27:03 -0500
> Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com> wrote:
> ....
> > +#define parity(val) \
> > +({ \
> > + u64 __v = (val); \
> > + int __ret; \
> > + switch (BITS_PER_TYPE(val)) { \
> > + case 64: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 32; \
> > + fallthrough; \
> > + case 32: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 16; \
> > + fallthrough; \
> > + case 16: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 8; \
> > + fallthrough; \
> > + case 8: \
> > + __v ^= __v >> 4; \
> > + __ret = (0x6996 >> (__v & 0xf)) & 1; \
> > + break; \
> > + default: \
> > + BUILD_BUG(); \
> > + } \
> > + __ret; \
> > +})
> > +
>
> You really don't want to do that!
> gcc makes a right hash of it for x86 (32bit).
> See https://www.godbolt.org/z/jG8dv3cvs
GCC fails to even understand this. Of course, the __v should be an
__auto_type. But that way GCC fails to understand that case 64 is
a dead code for all smaller type and throws a false-positive
Wshift-count-overflow. This is a known issue, unfixed for 25 years!
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4210
> You do better using a __v32 after the 64bit xor.
It should be an __auto_type. I already mentioned. So because of that,
we can either do something like this:
#define parity(val) \
({ \
#ifdef CLANG \
__auto_type __v = (val); \
#else /* GCC; because of this and that */ \
u64 __v = (val); \
#endif \
int __ret; \
Or simply disable Wshift-count-overflow for GCC.
> Even the 64bit version is probably sub-optimal (both gcc and clang).
> The whole lot ends up being a bit single register dependency chain.
> You want to do:
No, I don't. I want to have a sane compiler that does it for me.
> mov %eax, %edx
> shrl $n, %eax
> xor %edx, %eax
> so that the 'mov' and 'shrl' can happen in the same clock
> (without relying on the register-register move being optimised out).
>
> I dropped in the arm64 for an example of where the magic shift of 6996
> just adds an extra instruction.
It's still unclear to me that this parity thing is used in hot paths.
If that holds, it's unclear that your hand-made version is better than
what's generated by GCC.
Do you have any perf test?
Thanks,
Yury
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Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-23 16:42 [PATCH 00/17] Introduce and use generic parity32/64 helper Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 01/17] bitops: Add generic parity calculation for u32 Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 02/17] bitops: Add generic parity calculation for u64 Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-24 7:09 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-24 7:09 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-24 13:34 ` David Laight
2025-02-24 13:34 ` David Laight
2025-02-24 16:56 ` Yu-Chun Lin
2025-02-24 16:56 ` Yu-Chun Lin
2025-02-25 15:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 15:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 15:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 15:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 21:43 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-25 21:43 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-26 1:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-26 1:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-24 19:27 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-24 19:27 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-25 13:29 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-25 13:29 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-25 14:20 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-25 14:20 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-26 7:14 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-26 7:14 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-26 17:59 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-26 17:59 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-26 18:33 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-26 18:33 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-27 6:38 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-27 6:38 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-27 17:37 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-27 17:37 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-26 22:29 ` David Laight
2025-02-26 22:29 ` David Laight
2025-02-27 18:05 ` Yury Norov [this message]
2025-02-27 18:05 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-27 21:57 ` David Laight
2025-02-27 21:57 ` David Laight
2025-02-28 1:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-28 1:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-02 15:47 ` Yury Norov
2025-03-02 15:47 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 03/17] x86: Replace open-coded parity calculation with parity8() Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-24 15:24 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-02-24 15:24 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-02-24 21:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-24 21:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-24 22:08 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-02-24 22:08 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-02-24 22:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-24 22:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 3:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-25 3:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-24 22:17 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-24 22:17 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-24 22:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-24 22:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-24 22:30 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-24 22:30 ` Yury Norov
2025-02-25 22:46 ` David Laight
2025-02-25 22:46 ` David Laight
2025-02-26 0:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-26 0:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 04/17] media: media/test_drivers: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 05/17] media: pci: cx18-av-vbi: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 06/17] media: saa7115: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 07/17] serial: max3100: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-24 7:25 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-24 7:25 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 08/17] lib/bch: Replace open-coded parity calculation with parity32() Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 09/17] Input: joystick - " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 10/17] net: ethernet: oa_tc6: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 11/17] wifi: brcm80211: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-25 6:29 ` Arend Van Spriel
2025-02-25 6:29 ` Arend Van Spriel
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 12/17] drm/bridge: dw-hdmi: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 13/17] mtd: ssfdc: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 14/17] fsi: i2cr: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 15/17] fsi: i2cr: Replace open-coded parity calculation with parity64() Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 16/17] Input: joystick - " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 17/17] nfp: bpf: " Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 16:42 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-02-23 20:25 ` [PATCH 00/17] Introduce and use generic parity32/64 helper Uros Bizjak
2025-02-23 20:25 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-02-24 15:27 ` Yu-Chun Lin
2025-02-24 15:27 ` Yu-Chun Lin
2025-02-24 7:58 ` Jeremy Kerr
2025-02-24 7:58 ` Jeremy Kerr
2025-02-24 15:35 ` Yu-Chun Lin
2025-02-24 15:35 ` Yu-Chun Lin
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