From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ARM: unwind: improve unwinders for noreturn case
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 12:22:58 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZfwmomjUwQdCefzh@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db930076c837456f999daee5cb76735f@AcuMS.aculab.com>
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:07:51PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Russell King
> > Sent: 21 March 2024 11:24
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:22:30AM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> > > How aggressively does the compiler optimise 'noreturn' functions?
> >
> > I've seen cases where the compiler emits a BL instruction as the very
> > last thing in the function, and nothing after it.
>
> I've also seen the compiler defer generating a stack frame until
> after an initial conditional.
.. which is why we pass -mno-sched-prolog to GCC.
> That might mean you can get the BL in the middle of a function
> but where the following instruction is for the 'no stack frame'
> side of the branch.
> That is very likely to break any stack offset calculations.
No it can't. At any one point in the function, the stack has to be in
a well defined state, so that access to local variables can work, and
also the stack can be correctly unwound. If there exists a point in
the function body which can be reached where the stack could be in two
different states, then the stack can't be restored to the parent
context.
> > This is where the problem lies - because the link register value
> > created by the BL instruction will point to the instruction after the
> > BL which will _not_ part of the function that invoked the BL. That
> > will probably cause issues for the ELF unwinder, which means this
> > issue probably goes beyond _just_ printing the function name.
>
> Isn't this already in the unwinder?
> A BL itself isn't going to fault with PC = next-instruction.
You are missing the fact that the PC can be the saved LR, and thus
can very well be the next instruction.
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From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
'Jiangfeng Xiao' <xiaojiangfeng@huawei.com>,
"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"keescook@chromium.org" <keescook@chromium.org>,
"haibo.li@mediatek.com" <haibo.li@mediatek.com>,
"angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com"
<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>,
"amergnat@baylibre.com" <amergnat@baylibre.com>,
"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"douzhaolei@huawei.com" <douzhaolei@huawei.com>,
"gustavoars@kernel.org" <gustavoars@kernel.org>,
"jpoimboe@kernel.org" <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
"kepler.chenxin@huawei.com" <kepler.chenxin@huawei.com>,
"kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com"
<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
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"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"wangbing6@huawei.com" <wangbing6@huawei.com>,
"wangfangpeng1@huawei.com" <wangfangpeng1@huawei.com>,
"jannh@google.com" <jannh@google.com>,
"willy@infradead.org" <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ARM: unwind: improve unwinders for noreturn case
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 12:22:58 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZfwmomjUwQdCefzh@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db930076c837456f999daee5cb76735f@AcuMS.aculab.com>
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:07:51PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Russell King
> > Sent: 21 March 2024 11:24
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:22:30AM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> > > How aggressively does the compiler optimise 'noreturn' functions?
> >
> > I've seen cases where the compiler emits a BL instruction as the very
> > last thing in the function, and nothing after it.
>
> I've also seen the compiler defer generating a stack frame until
> after an initial conditional.
.. which is why we pass -mno-sched-prolog to GCC.
> That might mean you can get the BL in the middle of a function
> but where the following instruction is for the 'no stack frame'
> side of the branch.
> That is very likely to break any stack offset calculations.
No it can't. At any one point in the function, the stack has to be in
a well defined state, so that access to local variables can work, and
also the stack can be correctly unwound. If there exists a point in
the function body which can be reached where the stack could be in two
different states, then the stack can't be restored to the parent
context.
> > This is where the problem lies - because the link register value
> > created by the BL instruction will point to the instruction after the
> > BL which will _not_ part of the function that invoked the BL. That
> > will probably cause issues for the ELF unwinder, which means this
> > issue probably goes beyond _just_ printing the function name.
>
> Isn't this already in the unwinder?
> A BL itself isn't going to fault with PC = next-instruction.
You are missing the fact that the PC can be the saved LR, and thus
can very well be the next instruction.
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2024-03-04 1:39 [PATCH] usercopy: delete __noreturn from usercopy_abort Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-04 15:15 ` Jann Horn
2024-03-04 17:40 ` Kees Cook
2024-03-05 3:31 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-05 9:32 ` Kees Cook
2024-03-05 11:38 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-05 17:58 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-03-05 17:58 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-03-06 4:00 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-06 4:00 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-06 9:52 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-06 9:52 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-06 16:02 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-03-06 16:02 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-03-09 14:58 ` David Laight
2024-03-09 14:58 ` David Laight
2024-03-18 4:01 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-18 4:01 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-05 2:54 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-05 3:12 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 2:19 ` [PATCH] ARM: unwind: improve unwinders for noreturn case Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 2:19 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 2:46 ` Kees Cook
2024-03-20 2:46 ` Kees Cook
2024-03-20 3:30 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 3:30 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 3:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-20 3:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-20 3:46 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 3:46 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 3:44 ` [PATCH v2] " Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 3:44 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 8:45 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-20 8:45 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-20 15:30 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 15:30 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 19:40 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-20 19:40 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 9:44 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-21 9:44 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-21 10:22 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 10:22 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 11:23 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 11:23 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 12:07 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 12:07 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 12:22 ` Russell King (Oracle) [this message]
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2024-03-21 12:57 ` David Laight
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2024-03-21 13:08 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 13:08 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 14:37 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 14:37 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 14:56 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 14:56 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 15:20 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 15:20 ` David Laight
2024-03-21 15:33 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 15:33 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-21 22:43 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2024-03-21 22:43 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2024-03-22 0:08 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-22 0:08 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-22 9:24 ` David Laight
2024-03-22 9:24 ` David Laight
2024-03-22 9:52 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-22 9:52 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-22 12:54 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-22 12:54 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-22 14:16 ` David Laight
2024-03-22 14:16 ` David Laight
2024-03-20 15:41 ` [PATCH v3] " Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 15:41 ` Jiangfeng Xiao
2024-03-20 19:42 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-03-20 19:42 ` Russell King (Oracle)
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