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From: Stanislav Fomichev <stfomichev@gmail.com>
To: Joe Damato <jdamato@fastly.com>
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	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [RFC net-next v4 0/9] Add support for per-NAPI config via netlink
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 16:29:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zv8o4eliTO60odQe@mini-arch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241001235302.57609-1-jdamato@fastly.com>

On 10/01, Joe Damato wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> Welcome to RFC v4.
> 
> Very important and significant changes have been made since RFC v3 [1],
> please see the changelog below for details.
> 
> A couple important call outs for this revision for reviewers:
> 
>   1. idpf embeds a napi_struct in an internal data structure and
>      includes an assertion on the size of napi_struct. The maintainers
>      have stated that they think anyone touching napi_struct should update
>      the assertion [2], so I've done this in patch 3. 
> 
>      Even though the assertion has been updated, I've given the
>      cacheline placement of napi_struct within idpf's internals no
>      thought or consideration.
> 
>      Would appreciate other opinions on this; I think idpf should be
>      fixed. It seems unreasonable to me that anyone changing the size of
>      a struct in the core should need to think about cachelines in idpf.

[..]

>   2. This revision seems to work (see below for a full walk through). Is
>      this the behavior we want? Am I missing some use case or some
>      behavioral thing other folks need?

The walk through looks good!


>   3. Re a previous point made by Stanislav regarding "taking over a NAPI
>      ID" when the channel count changes: mlx5 seems to call napi_disable
>      followed by netif_napi_del for the old queues and then calls
>      napi_enable for the new ones. In this RFC, the NAPI ID generation
>      is deferred to napi_enable. This means we won't end up with two of
>      the same NAPI IDs added to the hash at the same time (I am pretty
>      sure).


[..]

>      Can we assume all drivers will napi_disable the old queues before
>      napi_enable the new ones? If yes, we might not need to worry about
>      a NAPI ID takeover function.

With the explicit driver opt-in via netif_napi_add_config, this
shouldn't matter? When somebody gets to converting the drivers that
don't follow this common pattern they'll have to solve the takeover
part :-)

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Stanislav Fomichev <stfomichev@gmail.com>
To: Joe Damato <jdamato@fastly.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, mkarsten@uwaterloo.ca,
	skhawaja@google.com, sdf@fomichev.me, bjorn@rivosinc.com,
	amritha.nambiar@intel.com, sridhar.samudrala@intel.com,
	willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com,
	Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	Daniel Jurgens <danielj@nvidia.com>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Donald Hunter <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	"moderated list:INTEL ETHERNET DRIVERS"
	<intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kory Maincent <kory.maincent@bootlin.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MELLANOX MLX4 core VPI driver"
	<linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	Michael Chan <michael.chan@broadcom.com>,
	Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Przemek Kitszel <przemyslaw.kitszel@intel.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	Tony Nguyen <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next v4 0/9] Add support for per-NAPI config via netlink
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 16:29:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zv8o4eliTO60odQe@mini-arch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241001235302.57609-1-jdamato@fastly.com>

On 10/01, Joe Damato wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> Welcome to RFC v4.
> 
> Very important and significant changes have been made since RFC v3 [1],
> please see the changelog below for details.
> 
> A couple important call outs for this revision for reviewers:
> 
>   1. idpf embeds a napi_struct in an internal data structure and
>      includes an assertion on the size of napi_struct. The maintainers
>      have stated that they think anyone touching napi_struct should update
>      the assertion [2], so I've done this in patch 3. 
> 
>      Even though the assertion has been updated, I've given the
>      cacheline placement of napi_struct within idpf's internals no
>      thought or consideration.
> 
>      Would appreciate other opinions on this; I think idpf should be
>      fixed. It seems unreasonable to me that anyone changing the size of
>      a struct in the core should need to think about cachelines in idpf.

[..]

>   2. This revision seems to work (see below for a full walk through). Is
>      this the behavior we want? Am I missing some use case or some
>      behavioral thing other folks need?

The walk through looks good!


>   3. Re a previous point made by Stanislav regarding "taking over a NAPI
>      ID" when the channel count changes: mlx5 seems to call napi_disable
>      followed by netif_napi_del for the old queues and then calls
>      napi_enable for the new ones. In this RFC, the NAPI ID generation
>      is deferred to napi_enable. This means we won't end up with two of
>      the same NAPI IDs added to the hash at the same time (I am pretty
>      sure).


[..]

>      Can we assume all drivers will napi_disable the old queues before
>      napi_enable the new ones? If yes, we might not need to worry about
>      a NAPI ID takeover function.

With the explicit driver opt-in via netif_napi_add_config, this
shouldn't matter? When somebody gets to converting the drivers that
don't follow this common pattern they'll have to solve the takeover
part :-)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-03 23:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-01 23:52 [Intel-wired-lan] [RFC net-next v4 0/9] Add support for per-NAPI config via netlink Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 1/9] net: napi: Make napi_defer_hard_irqs per-NAPI Joe Damato
2024-10-08 22:08   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 2/9] netdev-genl: Dump napi_defer_hard_irqs Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [RFC net-next v4 3/9] net: napi: Make gro_flush_timeout per-NAPI Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52   ` Joe Damato
2024-10-08 18:22   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Joe Damato
2024-10-08 18:22     ` Joe Damato
2024-10-08 22:10   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Jakub Kicinski
2024-10-08 22:10     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 4/9] netdev-genl: Dump gro_flush_timeout Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 5/9] net: napi: Add napi_config Joe Damato
2024-10-05  6:33   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-05  9:50   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-08 18:19   ` Joe Damato
2024-10-08 22:17   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-10-08 22:28     ` Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 6/9] netdev-genl: Support setting per-NAPI config values Joe Damato
2024-10-08 18:20   ` Joe Damato
2024-10-08 22:19     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-10-08 23:00       ` Joe Damato
2024-10-08 23:19         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-10-08 23:57           ` Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 7/9] bnxt: Add support for persistent NAPI config Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 8/9] mlx5: " Joe Damato
2024-10-01 23:52 ` [RFC net-next v4 9/9] mlx4: Add support for persistent NAPI config to RX CQs Joe Damato
2024-10-03 23:29 ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2024-10-03 23:29   ` [RFC net-next v4 0/9] Add support for per-NAPI config via netlink Stanislav Fomichev
2024-10-03 23:53   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Joe Damato
2024-10-03 23:53     ` Joe Damato
2024-10-04  2:33     ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Joe Damato
2024-10-04  2:33       ` Joe Damato
2024-10-04 16:22       ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Stanislav Fomichev
2024-10-04 16:22         ` Stanislav Fomichev

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