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From: Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>
To: Baochen Qiang <quic_bqiang@quicinc.com>
Cc: Miaoqing Pan <quic_miaoqing@quicinc.com>,
	Johan Hovold <johan+linaro@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Johnson <jjohnson@kernel.org>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath11k@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] wifi: ath11k: fix dest ring-buffer corruption
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 13:51:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aD7h0OOoGjVm8pDK@hovoldconsulting.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5268c9ba-16cf-4d3a-87df-bbe0ddd3d584@quicinc.com>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 06:52:37PM +0800, Baochen Qiang wrote:
> On 6/2/2025 4:03 PM, Johan Hovold wrote:

> > No, the barrier is needed between reading the head pointer and accessing
> > descriptor fields, that's what matters.
> > 
> > You can still end up with reading stale descriptor data even when
> > ath11k_hal_srng_dst_get_next_entry() returns non-NULL due to speculation
> > (that's what happens on the X13s).
> 
> The fact is that a dma_rmb() does not even prevent speculation, no matter where it is
> placed, right?

It prevents the speculated load from being used.

> If so the whole point of dma_rmb() is to prevent from compiler reordering
> or CPU reordering, but is it really possible?
> 
> The sequence is
> 
> 	1# reading HP
> 		srng->u.dst_ring.cached_hp = READ_ONCE(*srng->u.dst_ring.hp_addr);
> 
> 	2# validate HP
> 		if (srng->u.dst_ring.tp == srng->u.dst_ring.cached_hp)
> 			return NULL;
> 
> 	3# get desc
> 		desc = srng->ring_base_vaddr + srng->u.dst_ring.tp;
> 
> 	4# accessing desc
> 		ath11k_hal_desc_reo_parse_err(... desc, ...)
> 
> Clearly each step depends on the results of previous steps. In this case the compiler/CPU
> is expected to be smart enough to not do any reordering, isn't it?

Steps 3 and 4 can be done speculatively before the load in step 1 is
complete as long as the result is discarded if it turns out not to be
needed.

Johan


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-03 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-26 11:48 [PATCH 0/3] wifi: ath11k: fix dest ring-buffer corruption Johan Hovold
2025-05-26 11:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Johan Hovold
2025-05-29  7:03   ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-02  8:03     ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-03 10:52       ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-03 11:51         ` Johan Hovold [this message]
2025-06-04  2:16           ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-04  6:59             ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-05  8:16               ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-04  2:34           ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04  5:32             ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04  7:06               ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-04  7:57                 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04  8:07                   ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-04  8:18                     ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04 16:24             ` Jeff Johnson
2025-06-05  4:01               ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-05 10:17                 ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-05 10:54                   ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-06  0:52                     ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-06  2:02                       ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-06  7:43                         ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-25  2:06   ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-25  9:34     ` Johan Hovold
2025-05-26 11:48 ` [PATCH 2/3] wifi: ath11k: use plain access for descriptor length Johan Hovold
2025-05-26 11:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] wifi: ath11k: use plain accesses for monitor descriptor Johan Hovold

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