From: Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>
To: Miaoqing Pan <quic_miaoqing@quicinc.com>
Cc: Baochen Qiang <quic_bqiang@quicinc.com>,
Johan Hovold <johan+linaro@kernel.org>,
Jeff Johnson <jjohnson@kernel.org>,
linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath11k@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] wifi: ath11k: fix dest ring-buffer corruption
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 09:06:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aD_wgACEfm1_1GNz@hovoldconsulting.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7025db40-dda0-4cbb-80bd-09bd590584da@quicinc.com>
On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 01:32:08PM +0800, Miaoqing Pan wrote:
> On 6/4/2025 10:34 AM, Miaoqing Pan wrote:
> > On 6/3/2025 7:51 PM, Johan Hovold wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 06:52:37PM +0800, Baochen Qiang wrote:
> >>> On 6/2/2025 4:03 PM, Johan Hovold wrote:
> >>
> >>>> No, the barrier is needed between reading the head pointer and
> >>>> accessing
> >>>> descriptor fields, that's what matters.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can still end up with reading stale descriptor data even when
> >>>> ath11k_hal_srng_dst_get_next_entry() returns non-NULL due to
> >>>> speculation
> >>>> (that's what happens on the X13s).
> >>>
> >>> The fact is that a dma_rmb() does not even prevent speculation, no
> >>> matter where it is
> >>> placed, right?
> >>
> >> It prevents the speculated load from being used.
> >>
> >>> If so the whole point of dma_rmb() is to prevent from compiler
> >>> reordering
> >>> or CPU reordering, but is it really possible?
> >>>
> >>> The sequence is
> >>>
> >>> 1# reading HP
> >>> srng->u.dst_ring.cached_hp = READ_ONCE(*srng-
> >>> >u.dst_ring.hp_addr);
> >>>
> >>> 2# validate HP
> >>> if (srng->u.dst_ring.tp == srng->u.dst_ring.cached_hp)
> >>> return NULL;
> >>>
> >>> 3# get desc
> >>> desc = srng->ring_base_vaddr + srng->u.dst_ring.tp;
> >>>
> >>> 4# accessing desc
> >>> ath11k_hal_desc_reo_parse_err(... desc, ...)
> >>>
> >>> Clearly each step depends on the results of previous steps. In this
> >>> case the compiler/CPU
> >>> is expected to be smart enough to not do any reordering, isn't it?
> >>
> >> Steps 3 and 4 can be done speculatively before the load in step 1 is
> >> complete as long as the result is discarded if it turns out not to be
> >> needed.
> > If the condition in step 2 is true and step 3 speculatively loads
> > descriptor from TP before step 1, could this cause issues?
>
> Sorry for typo, if the condition in step 2 is false and step 3
> speculatively loads descriptor from TP before step 1, could this cause
> issues?
Almost correct; the descriptor can be loaded (from TP) before the head
pointer is loaded and thus before the condition in step 2 has been
evaluated. And if the condition in step 2 later turns out to be false,
step 4 may use stale data from before the head pointer was updated.
Johan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-04 7:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-26 11:48 [PATCH 0/3] wifi: ath11k: fix dest ring-buffer corruption Johan Hovold
2025-05-26 11:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Johan Hovold
2025-05-29 7:03 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-02 8:03 ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-03 10:52 ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-03 11:51 ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-04 2:16 ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-04 6:59 ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-05 8:16 ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-04 2:34 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04 5:32 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04 7:06 ` Johan Hovold [this message]
2025-06-04 7:57 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04 8:07 ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-04 8:18 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04 16:24 ` Jeff Johnson
2025-06-05 4:01 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-05 10:17 ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-05 10:54 ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-06 0:52 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-06 2:02 ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-06 7:43 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-25 2:06 ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-25 9:34 ` Johan Hovold
2025-05-26 11:48 ` [PATCH 2/3] wifi: ath11k: use plain access for descriptor length Johan Hovold
2025-05-26 11:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] wifi: ath11k: use plain accesses for monitor descriptor Johan Hovold
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