From: Dust Li <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Alexandra Winter <wintera@linux.ibm.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
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Wen Gu <guwen@linux.alibaba.com>,
Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 11/17] net/dibs: Move struct device to dibs_dev
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 23:18:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJ9P0WpHU30zpLLt@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <88d261d1-b1fe-447f-a928-02dec6141b0b@linux.ibm.com>
On 2025-08-15 13:59:49, Alexandra Winter wrote:
>
>
>On 15.08.25 03:56, Dust Li wrote:
>> On 2025-08-14 10:51:27, Alexandra Winter wrote:
>>>
>>> On 06.08.25 17:41, Alexandra Winter wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> Replace smcd->ops->get_dev(smcd) by dibs_get_dev().
>>>>
>>> Looking at the resulting code, I don't really like this concept of a *_get_dev() function,
>>> that does not call get_device().
>>> I plan to replace that by using dibs->dev directly in the next version.
>> May I ask why? Because of the function name ? If so, maybe we can change the name.
>
>Yes the name. Especially, as it is often used as argument for get_device() or put_device().
>Eventually I would like to provide dibs_get_dev()/dibs_put_dev() that actually
>do refcounting.
>And then I thought defining dibs_read_dev() is not helping readability.
I see. I don't like dibs_get_dev() either.
What about dibs_device_to_dev() or dibs_to_dev() ?
If we can't agree on a name we’re all happy with, I agree we can
leave it as is for now.
>>
>> While I don't have a strong preference either way, I personally favor
>> hiding the members of the dibs_dev structure from the upper layer. In my
>> opinion, it would be better to avoid direct access to dibs members from
>> upper layers and instead provide dedicated interface functions.
>>
>> For example, I even think we should not expose dibs->ops->xxx directly
>> to the SMC layer. Encapsulating such details would improve modularity
>> and maintainability. Just like what IB subsystem has done before :)
>>
>> For example:
>> # git grep dibs net/smc
>> [...]
>> net/smc/smc_ism.c: return dibs->ops->query_remote_gid(dibs, &ism_rgid, vlan_id ? 1 : 0,
>> net/smc/smc_ism.c: return smcd->dibs->ops->get_fabric_id(smcd->dibs);
>> net/smc/smc_ism.c: if (!smcd->dibs->ops->add_vlan_id)
>> net/smc/smc_ism.c: if (smcd->dibs->ops->add_vlan_id(smcd->dibs, vlanid)) {
>> net/smc/smc_ism.c: if (!smcd->dibs->ops->del_vlan_id)
>> net/smc/smc_ism.c: if (smcd->dibs->ops->del_vlan_id(smcd->dibs, vlanid))
>> [...]
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dust
>
>
>I see your point and I remember you brought that up in your review of
>[RFC net-next 0/7] Provide an ism layer
>already.
>
>I tried to keep this series to a meaningful minimum, which is a tradeoff.
>If possible, I just wanted to move code around and add the dibs layer
>in-between. There are several areas where I would like to see even more
>de-coupling. eg.:
>- handle_irq(): Clients should not run in interrupt context,
> a receive_data() callback function would be better.
>- The device drivers should not loop through the client array
>- dibs_dev_op.*_dmb() functions reveal unnecessary details of the
> internal dmb struct to the clients
>- ...
>
>So instead of adding a set of 1:1 caller functions / interface functions
>for dibs_dev_ops and dibs_client_ops now, I would like to propose to work
>on further decoupling devices and clients by adding more abstractions that
>bring benefit. And then replace the remaining calls to ops by 1:1 caller
>functions. Does that make sense? Or does anybody feel strongly that I need
>to provide interface functions now?
Yes, I agree we can do that in the future.
Best regards,
Dust
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-15 15:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-06 15:41 [RFC net-next 00/17] dibs - Direct Internal Buffer Sharing Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 01/17] net/smc: Remove __init marker from smc_core_init() Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 3:34 ` Dust Li
2025-08-07 7:01 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 02/17] s390/ism: Log module load/unload Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 03/17] net/smc: Remove error handling of unregister_dmb() Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 11:03 ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 11:28 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-12 22:53 ` Dust Li
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 04/17] net/smc: Decouple sf and attached send_buf in smc_loopback Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 14:00 ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 11:35 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-11 12:03 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 05/17] net/smc: Improve log message for devices w/o pnetid Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 14:07 ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 14:10 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 06/17] net/dibs: Create net/dibs Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 07/17] net/dibs: Register smc as dibs_client Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 08/17] net/dibs: Register ism as dibs device Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 15:05 ` kernel test robot
2025-08-07 16:37 ` Simon Horman
2025-08-07 18:19 ` Simon Horman
2025-08-08 18:36 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 16:57 ` kernel test robot
2025-08-10 14:46 ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 14:27 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-12 22:52 ` Dust Li
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 09/17] net/dibs: Define dibs loopback Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 10/17] net/dibs: Define dibs_client_ops and dibs_dev_ops Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 19:47 ` Simon Horman
2025-08-08 18:38 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 14:53 ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 15:12 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-12 22:58 ` Dust Li
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 11/17] net/dibs: Move struct device to dibs_dev Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 16:32 ` kernel test robot
2025-08-14 8:51 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-15 1:56 ` Dust Li
2025-08-15 11:59 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-15 15:18 ` Dust Li [this message]
2025-09-01 12:46 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 12/17] net/dibs: Create class dibs Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 13/17] net/dibs: Local gid for dibs devices Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 14/17] net/dibs: Move vlan support to dibs_dev_ops Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 15/17] net/dibs: Move query_remote_gid() " Alexandra Winter
2025-08-11 9:34 ` Julian Ruess
2025-08-14 14:49 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 16/17] net/dibs: Move data path to dibs layer Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 17:20 ` kernel test robot
2025-08-07 20:34 ` Simon Horman
2025-08-08 18:38 ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 17/17] net/dibs: Move event handling " Alexandra Winter
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