From: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de, h.mitake@gmail.com,
rpjday@crashcourse.ca, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:21:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <adaljpj1il2.fsf@cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090429115654.GC11586@elte.hu> (Ingo Molnar's message of "Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:56:54 +0200")
> What caused 2c5643b1 was that right now we have ugly per driver
> #defines and inlines for readq/writeq. See:
but 2c5643b1 doesn't fix that situation -- a portable driver still needs
the #defines for other 32-bit architectures. And 2c5643b1 isn't really
a particularly good step towards rectifying the situation, since if
every 32-bit architecture follows suit and adds its own compatibility
versions, then we'll want someone to go through and unify them into a
generic implementation. In other words removing the x86 private version
will be part of the work in getting to a final solution.
> Atomicity of a 64-bit IO space access on 32-bit platforms, on an
> unknown-bitness transport (it might even be a 64-bit PCI device
> bridged over a 32-bit bridge) is obviously not guaranteed.
Yes, some platforms may not be able to give true atomicity. eg 32-bit
PowerPC has no instructions that generate 64-bit cycles, even on the CPU
bus. I do think the 32-bit PCI thing is a bit of a red herring, since
eg PCIe devices can rely on a 64-bit bus.
> So trying to suggest that 64-bit readq/writeq when running on a
> 64-bit kernel is somehow atomic (or can be made atomic) is really
> wrong IMO. The 32-bit wrapper is simply the expression of how the
> CPU would do a 64-bit access even in 64-bit mode anyway [if the
> transport is 32-bit].
As far as I know, all 64-bit CPUs doing 64-bit accesses to a PCIe device
(eg the NIC driven by the niu driver) will generate 64-bit bus cycles.
The issue for me is that the benefit of having this compatibility define
is rather minimal, while the cost is potentially high: spending a long
time debugging platform-specific bugs -- the symptoms will not point
immediately to the IO define, of course.
- R.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-29 17:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-19 19:45 arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars Robert P. J. Day
2009-04-19 21:12 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-19 21:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-19 22:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-19 22:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 0:56 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20 2:08 ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-20 0:53 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20 1:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-20 10:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 14:47 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-20 16:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 8:33 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21 8:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 8:57 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21 15:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:07 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 17:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:23 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 19:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 21:11 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-22 0:31 ` David Miller
2009-04-28 19:05 ` [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit Roland Dreier
2009-04-29 5:12 ` David Miller
2009-04-29 11:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-29 12:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:25 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-29 19:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 5:32 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14 0:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-14 7:19 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-15 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-17 7:12 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-17 8:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-21 11:35 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-21 11:49 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 21:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:06 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-13 22:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:21 ` Roland Dreier [this message]
2009-04-22 0:27 ` arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars David Miller
2009-04-22 0:25 ` David Miller
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