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From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:19:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeA5C8byIpXWla7f@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260415234950.GC114184@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On 04/15, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 10:02:26PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > On 04/15, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 04:44:04PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > On 04/14, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > > Please add the relevant mailing lists when adding new user interfaces.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And I'm not sure hacks working around the proper large folio
> > > > > implementation are something that should be merged upstream.
> > > > 
> > > > Cc'ed linux-api and linux-fsdevel onto the patch thread with a proposal that
> > > > I'm not sure it's acceptable or not. 
> > > 
> > > You haven't sent a proposal.  This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > > patch.  There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > > needs this.  What the hell is going on?  You know this is not the way to
> > > get code merged into Linux.
> > 
> > I added two ideas in that email. Have you even tried to understand?
> 
> You want to establish "user.fadvise" as an extended attribute containing
> a bitmask.  The sole bit defined in that attribute means "use large
> folios", but you also have to change the file mode and set the IMMUTABLE
> bit for it to actually do anything.

Partly yes. This path has nothing to do with IMMUTABLE bit, since I used to
activate the large folio with that bit, but hit a big pain which requires
clearing the bit whenever just deleting the file.

So, this gives a new way to activate the large folio by chmod(0400) and
setxattr("user.fadvise") only while providing quick inode eviction in order
to set mapping by iget, and allowing file deletion easily.

I feel the arguable points would be 1) the path to evict inode by calling
d_drop in release_file and returning 1 in drop_inode, 2) how to give the
hint between fadvise(FADV_LARGE_FOLIO) or setxattr(user.fadvise) by individual
file system.

> 
> Meanwhile, you can't actually persist any of the fadvise(2) advice
> flags, so the xattr name doesn't even make sense.  Maybe you meant to
> call it "user.madvise" since the closest thing I can think of is
> MADV_HUGEPAGE?
> 
> I've understood enough.  YUCK.

Thank you for taking the time to take a look.

> 
> --D

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From: Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel <linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:19:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeA5C8byIpXWla7f@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260415234950.GC114184@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On 04/15, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 10:02:26PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > On 04/15, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 04:44:04PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > On 04/14, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > > Please add the relevant mailing lists when adding new user interfaces.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And I'm not sure hacks working around the proper large folio
> > > > > implementation are something that should be merged upstream.
> > > > 
> > > > Cc'ed linux-api and linux-fsdevel onto the patch thread with a proposal that
> > > > I'm not sure it's acceptable or not. 
> > > 
> > > You haven't sent a proposal.  This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > > patch.  There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > > needs this.  What the hell is going on?  You know this is not the way to
> > > get code merged into Linux.
> > 
> > I added two ideas in that email. Have you even tried to understand?
> 
> You want to establish "user.fadvise" as an extended attribute containing
> a bitmask.  The sole bit defined in that attribute means "use large
> folios", but you also have to change the file mode and set the IMMUTABLE
> bit for it to actually do anything.

Partly yes. This path has nothing to do with IMMUTABLE bit, since I used to
activate the large folio with that bit, but hit a big pain which requires
clearing the bit whenever just deleting the file.

So, this gives a new way to activate the large folio by chmod(0400) and
setxattr("user.fadvise") only while providing quick inode eviction in order
to set mapping by iget, and allowing file deletion easily.

I feel the arguable points would be 1) the path to evict inode by calling
d_drop in release_file and returning 1 in drop_inode, 2) how to give the
hint between fadvise(FADV_LARGE_FOLIO) or setxattr(user.fadvise) by individual
file system.

> 
> Meanwhile, you can't actually persist any of the fadvise(2) advice
> flags, so the xattr name doesn't even make sense.  Maybe you meant to
> call it "user.madvise" since the closest thing I can think of is
> MADV_HUGEPAGE?
> 
> I've understood enough.  YUCK.

Thank you for taking the time to take a look.

> 
> --D


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  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-16  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-09 13:45 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-10  1:16 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-14  8:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-14  8:02     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 16:44     ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:44       ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 17:15       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 17:15         ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 22:02         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 22:02           ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 23:49           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15 23:49             ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-16  1:19             ` Jaegeuk Kim [this message]
2026-04-16  1:19               ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 16:41   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:41     ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17  0:58   ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 16:54     ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18  1:08       ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18  1:11   ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel

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