From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: tao <tao.wangtao@honor.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation
Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 12:23:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ahbSwczOpsBKby7o@pedro-suse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260527110147.17815-1-tao.wangtao@honor.com>
On Wed, May 27, 2026 at 07:01:32PM +0800, tao wrote:
> TL;DR
> -----
>
> This series introduces ANON_VMA_LAZY, which defers anon_vma creation
> until it is actually required.
>
> - anon_vma memory reduced by ~92-97%, anon_vma_chain reduced by ~50-57%
> - rmap operations on ANON_VMA_LAZY VMAs do not require anon_vma locking
>
> Background
> ----------
>
> Currently anon_vma structures are created eagerly when anonymous VMAs
> are initialized. However, many VMAs never participate in fork or rmap
This is not true, they are created on fault + a few other places.
> operations that require anon_vma chains, so the allocated anon_vma and
> anon_vma_chain objects are often unnecessary.
>
> Design overview
> ---------------
>
> ANON_VMA_LAZY defers anon_vma allocation until it is actually needed
> (for example during fork). VMAs that never participate in sharing can
> avoid creating anon_vma structures entirely.
>
> Before an anon_vma exists, rmap operations rely directly on VMA
> information, so no anon_vma locking is required. An anon_vma is created
> and linked only when sharing semantics are required.
>
> This series introduces anon_rmap helpers to make rmap less dependent on
> direct anon_vma access. It also introduces anon_vma_tree_t as a container
> to support both the lazy and the existing anon_vma layouts.
>
> Once a VMA becomes associated with an anon_vma, the normal behavior
> remains unchanged.
>
> Memory impact
> -------------
>
> Preliminary measurements show significant reductions in anon_vma-related
> slab allocations.
>
> After boot:
>
> Object | Before (active KB) | After (active KB) | Change
> vm_area_struct | 117035 | 118176 | +1.0%
> anon_vma_chain | 18865.8 | 8112.06 | -57.0%
> anon_vma | 20426.4 | 613.75 | -97.0%
>
> After launching 24 apps:
>
> Object | Before (active KB) | After (active KB) | Change
> vm_area_struct | 196873 | 197345 | +0.2%
> anon_vma_chain | 31477.1 | 15576.8 | -50.5%
> anon_vma | 33280 | 2648.12 | -92.0%
>
> Simple fork microbenchmarks also show a slight improvement in fork
> performance, since child VMAs do not need to allocate anon_vma
> structures during fork.
>
> Feedback and suggestions are welcome.
I'm afraid, per previous discussions[1], that no one is really willing to
maintain extra complexity for the current state of anon rmap and anon vmas.
Sorry :/
Also, please don't send series this large without previous discussion and
_at least_ an RFC tag.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/aec533b2-37a7-4f44-a279-c4aa604206ac@lucifer.local/
--
Pedro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-27 11:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-27 11:01 [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 01/15] mm/rmap: introduce anon_rmap APIs for anonymous folios tao
2026-05-27 11:32 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 7:47 ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 02/15] mm: convert anon_vma rmap APIs to anon_rmap tao
2026-05-27 11:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 8:55 ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 03/15] mm: introduce anon_vma_tree_t for multiple anon_vma topologies tao
2026-05-27 11:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 9:00 ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 04/15] mm: switch to anon_vma_tree_t APIs in preparation for ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 11:53 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 05/15] mm: add CONFIG_ANON_VMA_LAZY and folio helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 06/15] mm: add CONFIG_VMA_REF and VMA helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:42 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 07/15] mm: replace direct FOLIO_MAPPING_ANON usage with helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 08/15] mm: prepare rmap infrastructure for ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 14:01 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 09/15] mm: implement ANON_VMA_LAZY rmap semantics tao
2026-05-27 12:15 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 10/15] mm: defer anon_vma creation with ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 12:29 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 11/15] mm: handle ANON_VMA_LAZY in huge page operations tao
2026-05-27 12:21 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 12/15] mm: handle ANON_VMA_LAZY during migration tao
2026-05-27 12:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 13/15] mm: support setup and upgrade of ANON_VMA_LAZY folios tao
2026-05-27 13:02 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 14/15] mm: support merging of ANON_VMA_LAZY VMAs tao
2026-05-27 12:49 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 15/15] mm: enable CONFIG_ANON_VMA_LAZY on arm64 and x86_64 tao
2026-05-27 17:19 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:23 ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2026-05-28 6:45 ` [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation wangtao
2026-05-28 7:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-27 11:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 7:11 ` wangtao
2026-05-28 7:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-27 14:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 7:57 ` wangtao
2026-05-28 8:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 23:31 ` Barry Song
2026-05-29 2:20 ` wangzicheng
2026-05-29 6:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29 6:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29 9:41 ` wangtao
2026-05-29 12:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 1:46 ` wangtao
2026-06-02 2:15 ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 2:46 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-02 15:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 19:44 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-02 23:03 ` Barry Song
2026-06-03 7:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 19:56 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-02 22:27 ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 20:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29 15:07 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-29 15:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-30 11:28 ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 16:07 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-03 2:59 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 3:12 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 7:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-03 11:05 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 11:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 3:50 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 20:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 22:14 ` Barry Song
2026-06-04 4:03 ` wangtao
2026-06-04 4:20 ` Barry Song
2026-06-04 7:35 ` wangtao
2026-06-09 15:26 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-09 15:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 3:10 ` xu.xin16
2026-06-04 4:10 ` wangtao
2026-06-05 9:38 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-05 10:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-05 10:56 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 9:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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