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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Nick Desaulniers" <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nsc@kernel.org>,
	"Bill Wendling" <morbo@google.com>,
	"Justin Stitt" <justinstitt@google.com>,
	"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Alexey Gladkov" <legion@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Paul Walmsley" <pjw@kernel.org>,
	"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	"Alexandre Ghiti" <alex@ghiti.fr>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	"Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Gustavo A. R. Silva" <gustavoars@kernel.org>,
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	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 21/21] kbuild: use pigz for gzip compression if available
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2026 15:33:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqqogpgRog7CEJbo@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90006ad1-73df-4bd0-a434-61875edd5bb9@app.fastmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 08:02:38PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026, at 19:47, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 10:31 AM Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 03:30:43PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> >> a)
> >> My main concern is the lack of respecting the -j make argument. In my
> >> mind, this is a blocker, because it means a build will now _always_ spin
> >> up max CPUs (not what -j has limited it to), and for CIs, shared compute
> >> systems, or whatever, this violates the requested parallelism level. For
> >> example, if I'm doing a long-running Coccinelle replacement in one tree
> >> (which uses half the CPUs), any builds I launch I'm asking for the other
> >> half of my CPUs to be used so they don't thrash my cache.
> >>
> >> This is the kind of "why are all the CPUs spinning up?" question I
> >> helped track down with commit 51e46c7a4007 ("docs, parallelism: Rearrange
> >> how jobserver reservations are made") forever ago.
> >
> > Parse -j from MAKEFLAGS (https://stackoverflow.com/a/76517886),
> > forward it to pigz?
>
> That still has a potential O(n²) problem: if one builds N kernels
> with a top-level jobserver on N CPUs, and they all take the same
> amount of time, you end up with N pigz processes each trying to use
> N cpus at the same time. Ideally we'd use the equivalent of
> -flto=auto in the compiler, which respects jobserver settings,
> but I don't think pigz supports this at the moment.

Hmm this is a good point :) though I see Kees has made a suggestion that
could solve all of these concerns!

>
>       Arnd

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Nick Desaulniers" <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nsc@kernel.org>,
	"Bill Wendling" <morbo@google.com>,
	"Justin Stitt" <justinstitt@google.com>,
	"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Alexey Gladkov" <legion@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Paul Walmsley" <pjw@kernel.org>,
	"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	"Alexandre Ghiti" <alex@ghiti.fr>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	"Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Gustavo A. R. Silva" <gustavoars@kernel.org>,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 21/21] kbuild: use pigz for gzip compression if available
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2026 15:33:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqqogpgRog7CEJbo@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90006ad1-73df-4bd0-a434-61875edd5bb9@app.fastmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 08:02:38PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026, at 19:47, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 10:31 AM Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 03:30:43PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> >> a)
> >> My main concern is the lack of respecting the -j make argument. In my
> >> mind, this is a blocker, because it means a build will now _always_ spin
> >> up max CPUs (not what -j has limited it to), and for CIs, shared compute
> >> systems, or whatever, this violates the requested parallelism level. For
> >> example, if I'm doing a long-running Coccinelle replacement in one tree
> >> (which uses half the CPUs), any builds I launch I'm asking for the other
> >> half of my CPUs to be used so they don't thrash my cache.
> >>
> >> This is the kind of "why are all the CPUs spinning up?" question I
> >> helped track down with commit 51e46c7a4007 ("docs, parallelism: Rearrange
> >> how jobserver reservations are made") forever ago.
> >
> > Parse -j from MAKEFLAGS (https://stackoverflow.com/a/76517886),
> > forward it to pigz?
>
> That still has a potential O(n²) problem: if one builds N kernels
> with a top-level jobserver on N CPUs, and they all take the same
> amount of time, you end up with N pigz processes each trying to use
> N cpus at the same time. Ideally we'd use the equivalent of
> -flto=auto in the compiler, which respects jobserver settings,
> but I don't think pigz supports this at the moment.

Hmm this is a good point :) though I see Kees has made a suggestion that
could solve all of these concerns!

>
>       Arnd

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

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Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-14  9:21 [PATCH v2 00/21] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 01/21] kbuild: do not allocate .modinfo in vmlinux Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 02/21] kallsyms: index symbols by token to speed up table compression Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 03/21] kallsyms: output binary data to speed output and kallsyms assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 20:16   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 20:16     ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 21:44     ` David Laight
2026-09-14 21:44       ` David Laight
2026-09-15  7:10       ` [v2 " Markus Elfring
2026-09-15  7:10         ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 04/21] kbuild: do not sort nm output where the order is irrelevant Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 05/21] kbuild: only emit vmlinux relocations when required Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 06/21] elf-parse: add section flags, symbol binding and a read-only mapping Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 07/21] kallsyms: reimplement mksysmap in C Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 16:33   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 16:33     ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 16:54   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 16:54     ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 17:01   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 17:01     ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 08/21] kbuild: cache list, composite object state per object Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 09/21] kbuild: implement and use depcheck to check dependency timestamps Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 10/21] kbuild: move the toolchain checks into init/Kconfig.toolchain Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 11/21] kbuild: avoid re-running compiler and linker probes Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 15:02   ` John Stoffel
2026-09-14 15:02     ` John Stoffel
2026-09-14 15:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 15:24       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:01       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:01         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 12/21] modpost: cache section relocation mismatch state Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 13/21] modpost: emit module descriptors as assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 11:25   ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-21 11:25     ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-21 11:57     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 11:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 12:36       ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-21 12:36         ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-21 12:48         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 12:48           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 13:50           ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-21 13:50             ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-21 14:05             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 14:05               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 13:09       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 13:09         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 12:09     ` Jani Nikula
2026-09-21 12:09       ` Jani Nikula
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 14/21] kbuild: batch module finalisation Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:00   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 18:00     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 10:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 10:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 16:49       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 16:49         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 17:54         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 17:54           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 17:56         ` Nick Desaulniers
2026-09-15 17:56           ` Nick Desaulniers
2026-09-16 14:30           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 14:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 15/21] objtool: cache relocations, do less work Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 19:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 19:44     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 20:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-14 20:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-14 22:23       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 22:23         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 22:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-14 22:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-15 12:24           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 12:24             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 12:19     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 12:19       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 16/21] objtool: size the instruction hash to the text Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 17/21] objtool: decode instructions and resolve branch targets in parallel Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:20   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 18:20     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 10:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 10:09       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:29       ` David Laight
2026-09-15 11:29         ` David Laight
2026-09-15 15:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 15:04           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 18/21] kbuild: rust: optionally parallelise rustc front end Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:32   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 18:32     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 11:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:09       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:16       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:16         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15  6:32   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-15  6:32     ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-15 11:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:15       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 19/21] rust: make exports.o depend on the headers generated for it Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 20/21] kbuild: build rust crates in parallel with the rest of the build Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:37   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 18:37     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 11:58     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:58       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 16:52       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 16:52         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-16 14:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 14:04           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16  7:42       ` Gary Guo
2026-09-16  7:42         ` Gary Guo
2026-09-16 14:03         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 14:03           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 21/21] kbuild: use pigz for gzip compression if available Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 16:39   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 16:39     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 16:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-09-14 16:49       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-09-14 17:50       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 17:50         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 14:30     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 14:30       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 17:31       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 17:31         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 17:47         ` Nick Desaulniers
2026-09-15 17:47           ` Nick Desaulniers
2026-09-15 18:02           ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-15 18:02             ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-16 14:33             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-09-16 14:33               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 14:40         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 14:40           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16  1:06   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-16  1:06     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-16  6:38     ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-16  6:38       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-16 15:08       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 15:08         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 15:27       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-16 15:27         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 14:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 14:32           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 15:03     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 15:03       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 15:09       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-16 15:09         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-16 15:26         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-16 15:26           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 15:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/21] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Kees Cook
2026-09-14 15:41   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 15:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-14 15:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-15  8:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-15  8:53       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-15 11:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:35         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:25     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:43     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 18:43       ` Kees Cook

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