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From: Benjamin Tissoires <bentiss@kernel.org>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] drm/bridge: Add a BPF-based MIPI-DSI panel driver
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2026 11:32:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aruD5kwOEsvFhW2e@beelink> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <054ef52478fc93fc213a9dae23ea77f73094aaf2@intel.com>

On Sep 29 2026, Jani Nikula wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2026, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> wrote:
> > Panels in general, and MIPI-DSI panels in particular, are pretty
> > difficult to support and require pretty much a panel driver for each
> > panel produced. Most of them are pretty simple, and require an opaque
> > initialization sequence that is usually poorly documented.
> >
> > This creates a tension between OEMs and distros because OEMs will
> > typically get a new panel to react to a sourcing issue during
> > production, and thus need some swift turnaround between getting their
> > new panel and it being operational in the OS. Distributions on the other
> > hand can take years to ship a kernel with that new panel driver.
> >
> > To solve this, I followed the example of HID-BPF and wrote a panel
> > driver that will rely on BPF programs to perform the panel
> > initialization. That way, we can ship the programs separately from the
> > kernel, and with a different lifecycle. If this driver is accepted, the
> > plan is to have a userspace component started by udev to identify and
> > load the right BPF program for the panels found on the device.
> 
> I'd think for most panels it would suffice to have a declarative
> language describing what to do at what points in time. For example, at
> poweron, enable this GPIO, wait a little, write this set of DSI
> commands, etc. You rarely need actual programming, or even ability to
> read-modify-write something.

TBH, that's exactly how Maxime presented the idea to me before
submitting this.

> 
> It could be, say, YAML converted to some binary representation. Maybe
> that could be in the DT, or maybe you could override it with the
> firmware loader. And obviously any vendor "blob" could be trivially
> converted back to YAML and upstreamed.

Ouch. This immediately raises the "let's implement a parser in the
kernel" flag, or "let's create a new langage".

That's exactly what BPF is: ou have a source file (in C, rust, whatever)
that is converted to a binary blob that the kernel already knows how to
use and that is safe to load, and we can easily go back to the sources.

> 
> Where that falls short, you could always have a dedicated driver, or
> extend the declarative stuff.

See Maxime's answers: yes, falling back to dedicated driver is still
encouraged.

> 
> Now, the question is, how much more BPF solves over that, without
> requiring a dedicated driver, and is the added complexity worth it?

You'd still need a dedicated driver for your new blob parser, with far
fewer people who had had a look at it than BPF who has been working on
for several years.

The integration of BPF and the kernel is honestly transparent nowaday:
calling a struct_ops BPF function is just a function call away, and from
the bpf calling anything in the kernel is also just a call away.

> 
> FWIW, on the Intel platforms that support DSI, all of the
> initialization, poweron/poweroff, backlight on/off etc. sequences like
> that are stored in the BIOS, defined by the OEM. A plethora of DSI
> panels, one driver. Don't look at it for examples how to implement it,
> but I think the basic idea is workable.

Isn't that what Maxime wants to have? One driver for a plethora of DSI
panels, with the same ability the BIOS has to also do function calls to
set things up?

Cheers,
Benjamin

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-29  9:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-28 16:22 [PATCH 0/6] drm/bridge: Add a BPF-based MIPI-DSI panel driver Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/6] dt-bindings: display: Add panel-mipi-dsi-bpf generic panel binding Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:35   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 19:16   ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 20:40   ` Rob Herring
2026-09-29  8:39     ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29 22:28       ` Rob Herring
2026-09-30  8:04         ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-30 19:07           ` Rob Herring
2026-10-01  7:22             ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-01 16:03               ` Rob Herring
2026-09-30 13:32       ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01  7:09         ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  7:28           ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 20:43   ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2026-09-29 23:44   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-29 23:44     ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/6] drm/panel: Add generic MIPI-DSI panel driver with BPF init sequences Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/6] drm/panel: dsi-bpf: Add BPF program build infrastructure and helper header Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:31   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-29 23:44   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-29 23:44     ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/6] drm/panel: dsi-bpf: Add Raspberry Pi 7-inch panel BPF program Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 5/6] drm/panel: dsi-bpf: Add Raspberry Pi 5-inch " Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:33   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH DO NOT MERGE 6/6] arm64: dts: broadcom: Add Raspberry Pi ILI9881C DSI panel overlays Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:31   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:37 ` [PATCH 0/6] drm/bridge: Add a BPF-based MIPI-DSI panel driver Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-28 17:31   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-28 18:12     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-29  6:54   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:39 ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 17:24   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-28 19:20     ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 19:48       ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-28 20:36         ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-29  7:41           ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29  7:55             ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2026-09-30 13:37               ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01  6:50                 ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  7:30                   ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-02  7:37                     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2026-10-02  7:53                       ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-02  9:04                         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2026-09-30 13:36             ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-30 20:59               ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-10-01  6:38               ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-01 17:03               ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29  7:27       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-30 13:49         ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01  7:01           ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  7:39             ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-29  7:13   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29  7:46     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-30 13:46     ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01  6:48       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  8:11         ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-29  9:03 ` Jani Nikula
2026-09-29  9:32   ` Benjamin Tissoires [this message]
2026-09-29 10:16     ` Jani Nikula
2026-09-29 12:28       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-30 14:01   ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-30 19:18     ` Jani Nikula
2026-10-01  7:05     ` Maxime Ripard

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