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From: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: alan.cox@intel.com, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	ashok.raj@intel.com, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	pengfei.xu@intel.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	kevin.tian@intel.com, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	jacob.jun.pan@intel.com, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 6/9] iommu/vt-d: Check whether device requires bounce buffer
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:22:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bf973966-d975-9100-475d-bf30dbb99bf6@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190610160802.GX28796@char.us.oracle.com>

Hi,

On 6/11/19 12:08 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 09:16:17AM +0800, Lu Baolu wrote:
>> This adds a helper to check whether a device needs to use bounce
>> buffer. It also provides a boot time option to disable the bounce
>> buffer. Users can use this to prevent the iommu driver from using
>> the bounce buffer for performance gain.
>> 
>> Cc: Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com> Cc: Jacob Pan
>> <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com> Cc: Kevin Tian
>> <kevin.tian@intel.com> Signed-off-by: Lu Baolu
>> <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com> Tested-by: Xu Pengfei
>> <pengfei.xu@intel.com> Tested-by: Mika Westerberg
>> <mika.westerberg@intel.com> --- 
>> Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 5 +++++ 
>> drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c                     | 6 ++++++ 2 files
>> changed, 11 insertions(+)
>> 
>> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
>> b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt index
>> 138f6664b2e2..65685c6e53e4 100644 ---
>> a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt +++
>> b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt @@ -1728,6
>> +1728,11 @@ Note that using this option lowers the security 
>> provided by tboot because it makes the system vulnerable to DMA
>> attacks. +		nobounce [Default off] +			Do not use the bounce buffer
>> for untrusted devices like +			the Thunderbolt devices. This will
>> treat the untrusted
> 
> My brain has sometimes a hard time parsing 'Not' and 'un'. Could this
> be:
> 
> Disable bounce buffer for unstrusted devices ..?
> 

Fair enough.

> 
> And perhaps call it 'noswiotlb' ? Not everyone knows that SWIOTLB =
> bounce buffer.

As I said in previous thread, swiotlb is not only used for BOUNCE_PAGE
case, but also used by direct dma APIs. Will it cause confusion?

Anyway, I have no strong feeling to use 'nobounce' or 'noswiotlb'. It's
a driver specific switch for debugging purpose. People suggested that we
should move this switch into pci module, but I heard that it's more
helpful to implement per-device switch for "trusted' or "untrusted".
So I kept this untouched in this version.

> 
>> +			devices as the trusted ones, hence might expose security +
>> risks of DMA attacks.
>> 
>> intel_idle.max_cstate=	[KNL,HW,ACPI,X86] 0	disables intel_idle and
>> fall back on acpi_idle. diff --git a/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c
>> b/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c index 235837c50719..41439647f75d
>> 100644 --- a/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c +++
>> b/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c @@ -371,6 +371,7 @@ static int
>> dmar_forcedac; static int intel_iommu_strict; static int
>> intel_iommu_superpage = 1; static int iommu_identity_mapping; 
>> +static int intel_no_bounce;
> 
> intel_swiotlb_on = 1 ?
> 
>> 
>> #define IDENTMAP_ALL		1 #define IDENTMAP_GFX		2 @@ -384,6 +385,8 @@
>> EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(intel_iommu_gfx_mapped); static
>> DEFINE_SPINLOCK(device_domain_lock); static
>> LIST_HEAD(device_domain_list);
>> 
>> +#define device_needs_bounce(d) (!intel_no_bounce &&
>> dev_is_untrusted(d)) + /* * Iterate over elements in
>> device_domain_list and call the specified * callback @fn against
>> each element. @@ -466,6 +469,9 @@ static int __init
>> intel_iommu_setup(char *str) printk(KERN_INFO "Intel-IOMMU: not
>> forcing on after tboot. This could expose security risk for
>> tboot\n"); intel_iommu_tboot_noforce = 1; +		} else if
>> (!strncmp(str, "nobounce", 8)) { +			pr_info("Intel-IOMMU: No
>> bounce buffer. This could expose security risks of DMA
>> attacks\n");
> 
> Again, Intel-IOMMU: No SWIOTLB. T.. blah blah'
> 
> Asking for this as doing 'dmesg | grep SWIOTLB' will expose nicely
> all the SWIOTLB invocations..

Yes. Will refine this.

Best regards,
Baolu
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From: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	ashok.raj@intel.com, jacob.jun.pan@intel.com, alan.cox@intel.com,
	kevin.tian@intel.com, mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	pengfei.xu@intel.com, Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 6/9] iommu/vt-d: Check whether device requires bounce buffer
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:22:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bf973966-d975-9100-475d-bf30dbb99bf6@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190610160802.GX28796@char.us.oracle.com>

Hi,

On 6/11/19 12:08 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 09:16:17AM +0800, Lu Baolu wrote:
>> This adds a helper to check whether a device needs to use bounce
>> buffer. It also provides a boot time option to disable the bounce
>> buffer. Users can use this to prevent the iommu driver from using
>> the bounce buffer for performance gain.
>> 
>> Cc: Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com> Cc: Jacob Pan
>> <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com> Cc: Kevin Tian
>> <kevin.tian@intel.com> Signed-off-by: Lu Baolu
>> <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com> Tested-by: Xu Pengfei
>> <pengfei.xu@intel.com> Tested-by: Mika Westerberg
>> <mika.westerberg@intel.com> --- 
>> Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 5 +++++ 
>> drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c                     | 6 ++++++ 2 files
>> changed, 11 insertions(+)
>> 
>> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
>> b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt index
>> 138f6664b2e2..65685c6e53e4 100644 ---
>> a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt +++
>> b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt @@ -1728,6
>> +1728,11 @@ Note that using this option lowers the security 
>> provided by tboot because it makes the system vulnerable to DMA
>> attacks. +		nobounce [Default off] +			Do not use the bounce buffer
>> for untrusted devices like +			the Thunderbolt devices. This will
>> treat the untrusted
> 
> My brain has sometimes a hard time parsing 'Not' and 'un'. Could this
> be:
> 
> Disable bounce buffer for unstrusted devices ..?
> 

Fair enough.

> 
> And perhaps call it 'noswiotlb' ? Not everyone knows that SWIOTLB =
> bounce buffer.

As I said in previous thread, swiotlb is not only used for BOUNCE_PAGE
case, but also used by direct dma APIs. Will it cause confusion?

Anyway, I have no strong feeling to use 'nobounce' or 'noswiotlb'. It's
a driver specific switch for debugging purpose. People suggested that we
should move this switch into pci module, but I heard that it's more
helpful to implement per-device switch for "trusted' or "untrusted".
So I kept this untouched in this version.

> 
>> +			devices as the trusted ones, hence might expose security +
>> risks of DMA attacks.
>> 
>> intel_idle.max_cstate=	[KNL,HW,ACPI,X86] 0	disables intel_idle and
>> fall back on acpi_idle. diff --git a/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c
>> b/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c index 235837c50719..41439647f75d
>> 100644 --- a/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c +++
>> b/drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c @@ -371,6 +371,7 @@ static int
>> dmar_forcedac; static int intel_iommu_strict; static int
>> intel_iommu_superpage = 1; static int iommu_identity_mapping; 
>> +static int intel_no_bounce;
> 
> intel_swiotlb_on = 1 ?
> 
>> 
>> #define IDENTMAP_ALL		1 #define IDENTMAP_GFX		2 @@ -384,6 +385,8 @@
>> EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(intel_iommu_gfx_mapped); static
>> DEFINE_SPINLOCK(device_domain_lock); static
>> LIST_HEAD(device_domain_list);
>> 
>> +#define device_needs_bounce(d) (!intel_no_bounce &&
>> dev_is_untrusted(d)) + /* * Iterate over elements in
>> device_domain_list and call the specified * callback @fn against
>> each element. @@ -466,6 +469,9 @@ static int __init
>> intel_iommu_setup(char *str) printk(KERN_INFO "Intel-IOMMU: not
>> forcing on after tboot. This could expose security risk for
>> tboot\n"); intel_iommu_tboot_noforce = 1; +		} else if
>> (!strncmp(str, "nobounce", 8)) { +			pr_info("Intel-IOMMU: No
>> bounce buffer. This could expose security risks of DMA
>> attacks\n");
> 
> Again, Intel-IOMMU: No SWIOTLB. T.. blah blah'
> 
> Asking for this as doing 'dmesg | grep SWIOTLB' will expose nicely
> all the SWIOTLB invocations..

Yes. Will refine this.

Best regards,
Baolu

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-12  2:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-03  1:16 [PATCH v4 0/9] iommu: Bounce page for untrusted devices Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 1/9] PCI: Add dev_is_untrusted helper Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 2/9] swiotlb: Split size parameter to map/unmap APIs Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 3/9] swiotlb: Zero out bounce buffer for untrusted device Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-10 15:45   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-10 15:45     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  0:43     ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  0:43       ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  1:05       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  1:05         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  3:08         ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  3:08           ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 4/9] iommu: Add bounce page APIs Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-10 15:56   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-10 15:56     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  0:45     ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  0:45       ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-11 12:10   ` Pavel Begunkov
2019-06-11 12:10     ` Pavel Begunkov
2019-06-12  0:52     ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  0:52       ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 5/9] iommu/vt-d: Don't switch off swiotlb if use direct dma Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-10 15:54   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-10 15:54     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  2:03     ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  2:03       ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 6/9] iommu/vt-d: Check whether device requires bounce buffer Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-10 16:08   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-10 16:08     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  2:22     ` Lu Baolu [this message]
2019-06-12  2:22       ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 7/9] iommu/vt-d: Add trace events for domain map/unmap Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-04  9:01   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-06-04  9:01     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-06-05  6:48     ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-05  6:48       ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-10 16:08   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-10 16:08     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  2:31     ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  2:31       ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 8/9] iommu/vt-d: Code refactoring for bounce map and unmap Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16 ` [PATCH v4 9/9] iommu/vt-d: Use bounce buffer for untrusted devices Lu Baolu
2019-06-03  1:16   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-10 15:42 ` [PATCH v4 0/9] iommu: Bounce page " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-10 15:42   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  3:00   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  3:00     ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  6:22     ` Mika Westerberg
2019-06-12  6:22       ` Mika Westerberg
2019-06-10 16:10 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-10 16:10   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-06-12  3:04   ` Lu Baolu
2019-06-12  3:04     ` Lu Baolu

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