From: Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org,
linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath10k@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] mac80211: Add airtime accounting and scheduling to TXQs
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 14:35:29 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e018fec62487536859ea8202b187c63e@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87va59uegc.fsf@toke.dk>
On 2018-11-07 06:53, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org> writes:
>
>> Meanwhile we did some more experiments with both modes. The experiment
>> was done in open environment and fixed rate and UDP traffic ran for 60
>> seconds.
>>
>> Seems like push mode not honoring the configured weight. Always the
>> airtime was almost same whereas in pull-mode airtime is changing based
>> on configured weight. Hence I would like to know your results.
>
> Right, so I verified that the current version of the patch set still
> works with ath9k. However, the ath10k card I have doesn't seem to
> support peer stats, so I can't test ath10k.
>
> $ lspci | grep Qualcomm
> 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA986x/988x 802.11ac
> Wireless Network Adapter
>
> $ cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy1/ath10k/chip_id
> 0x043202ff
>
> $ cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy1/ath10k/wmi_services | grep PEER
> WMI_SERVICE_PEER_CACHING -
> WMI_SERVICE_PEER_STATS -
>
Oops... Yeah 988x firmware (10.2.4) does not have peer stats support.
>
> Is there a way to force-enable airtime support, is this a hardware
> issue?
>
Unfortunately not. There is one more pending change that handles airtime
report
from HTT tx-compl. Again it depends firmware support. These experiments
are
taken with this f/w interface. Will post the change.
>> sta1 sta2 sta3 sta4
>> pull-mode 8s(205us) 18s(3.2ms) 8s(205us) 14s(410us)
>> 12s(256us) 12s(256us) 13s(256us) 12s(256us)
>> 14s(4ms) 13s(4ms) 14s(4ms) 13s(4ms)
>>
>> push-mode 15s(205us) 12s(3.2ms) 16s(205us) 12s(410us)
>> 15s(256us) 12s(256us) 16s(256us) 12s(256us)
>> 14s(4ms) 13s(4ms) 16s(4ms) 12s(4ms)
>
> Right, so the pull-mode results are encouraging! *Something* is
> happening, at least, even though the aggregate airtime doesn't quite
> match the ratios of the configured weights.
>
> Are you running the UDP generator on the AP itself, or on a separate
> device, BTW? If it's on the AP, the userspace socket can get throttled,
> which will interfere with results, so it's better to have it on a
> separate device (connected via ethernet).
>
Traffic b/w wired client (via ethernet) and wireless clients.
> As for push-mode, could this be because of bad buffer management? I.e.,
> because there's a lag between the time airtime is registered, and the
> time that airtime usage is reported, the driver just pushes a whole
> bunch of packets to the firmware when it gets the chance, which
> prevents
> the scheduler from throttling properly. This could also explain the
> better, but not quite perfect, results in pull mode, assuming that pull
> mode results in better firmware buffer management which reduces, but
> doesn't quite remove, the lag.
>
Hmm... I agree that lag in reporting airtime may cause more data push to
hw.
Right now both tx and tx-compl are serialized by active_txq_lock. So
once
lock acquired by tx path, it will download all frames. i.e it is even
true for
ath9k driver. Hence I am wondering how it is working only with ath9k.
In ath10k, The airtime always be reported in tx-completion. I dont see
much lag
from my experiments.
> If this is indeed the reason, the queue limit patches should hopefully
> be a solution. So guess we need to get those working as well :)
>
I would prefer to baseline the basic infra into upstream first and do
enhancement
on top of that. I request you to revisit maintaining per driver default.
Otherwise
there would be performance impact with 256us. :(
-Rajkumar
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From: Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath10k@lists.infradead.org,
linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] mac80211: Add airtime accounting and scheduling to TXQs
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 14:35:29 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e018fec62487536859ea8202b187c63e@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87va59uegc.fsf@toke.dk>
On 2018-11-07 06:53, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org> writes:
>
>> Meanwhile we did some more experiments with both modes. The experiment
>> was done in open environment and fixed rate and UDP traffic ran for 60
>> seconds.
>>
>> Seems like push mode not honoring the configured weight. Always the
>> airtime was almost same whereas in pull-mode airtime is changing based
>> on configured weight. Hence I would like to know your results.
>
> Right, so I verified that the current version of the patch set still
> works with ath9k. However, the ath10k card I have doesn't seem to
> support peer stats, so I can't test ath10k.
>
> $ lspci | grep Qualcomm
> 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA986x/988x 802.11ac
> Wireless Network Adapter
>
> $ cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy1/ath10k/chip_id
> 0x043202ff
>
> $ cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy1/ath10k/wmi_services | grep PEER
> WMI_SERVICE_PEER_CACHING -
> WMI_SERVICE_PEER_STATS -
>
Oops... Yeah 988x firmware (10.2.4) does not have peer stats support.
>
> Is there a way to force-enable airtime support, is this a hardware
> issue?
>
Unfortunately not. There is one more pending change that handles airtime
report
from HTT tx-compl. Again it depends firmware support. These experiments
are
taken with this f/w interface. Will post the change.
>> sta1 sta2 sta3 sta4
>> pull-mode 8s(205us) 18s(3.2ms) 8s(205us) 14s(410us)
>> 12s(256us) 12s(256us) 13s(256us) 12s(256us)
>> 14s(4ms) 13s(4ms) 14s(4ms) 13s(4ms)
>>
>> push-mode 15s(205us) 12s(3.2ms) 16s(205us) 12s(410us)
>> 15s(256us) 12s(256us) 16s(256us) 12s(256us)
>> 14s(4ms) 13s(4ms) 16s(4ms) 12s(4ms)
>
> Right, so the pull-mode results are encouraging! *Something* is
> happening, at least, even though the aggregate airtime doesn't quite
> match the ratios of the configured weights.
>
> Are you running the UDP generator on the AP itself, or on a separate
> device, BTW? If it's on the AP, the userspace socket can get throttled,
> which will interfere with results, so it's better to have it on a
> separate device (connected via ethernet).
>
Traffic b/w wired client (via ethernet) and wireless clients.
> As for push-mode, could this be because of bad buffer management? I.e.,
> because there's a lag between the time airtime is registered, and the
> time that airtime usage is reported, the driver just pushes a whole
> bunch of packets to the firmware when it gets the chance, which
> prevents
> the scheduler from throttling properly. This could also explain the
> better, but not quite perfect, results in pull mode, assuming that pull
> mode results in better firmware buffer management which reduces, but
> doesn't quite remove, the lag.
>
Hmm... I agree that lag in reporting airtime may cause more data push to
hw.
Right now both tx and tx-compl are serialized by active_txq_lock. So
once
lock acquired by tx path, it will download all frames. i.e it is even
true for
ath9k driver. Hence I am wondering how it is working only with ath9k.
In ath10k, The airtime always be reported in tx-completion. I dont see
much lag
from my experiments.
> If this is indeed the reason, the queue limit patches should hopefully
> be a solution. So guess we need to get those working as well :)
>
I would prefer to baseline the basic infra into upstream first and do
enhancement
on top of that. I request you to revisit maintaining per driver default.
Otherwise
there would be performance impact with 256us. :(
-Rajkumar
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-07 22:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-20 11:05 [PATCH 0/6] Move TXQ scheduling and airtime fairness into mac80211 Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` [PATCH 1/6] mac80211: Add TXQ scheduling API Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-11-09 12:00 ` Johannes Berg
2018-11-09 12:00 ` Johannes Berg
2018-11-09 12:39 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-09 12:39 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-20 11:05 ` [PATCH 2/6] cfg80211: Add airtime statistics and settings Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` [PATCH 3/6] mac80211: Add airtime accounting and scheduling to TXQs Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-26 14:16 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-26 14:16 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-26 23:04 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-26 23:04 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-28 15:48 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-28 15:48 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-28 22:01 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-28 22:01 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-29 23:50 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-29 23:50 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-11-02 10:30 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-02 10:30 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-05 8:39 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-11-05 8:39 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-11-07 14:53 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-07 14:53 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-07 22:35 ` Rajkumar Manoharan [this message]
2018-11-07 22:35 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-11-08 13:46 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-08 13:46 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-31 6:17 ` yiboz
2018-10-31 6:17 ` yiboz
2018-10-20 11:05 ` [PATCH 4/6] ath9k: Switch to mac80211 TXQ scheduling and airtime APIs Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` [PATCH 5/6] ath10k: migrate to mac80211 txq scheduling Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-24 8:33 ` Kalle Valo
2018-10-24 8:33 ` Kalle Valo
2018-10-24 18:55 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-24 18:55 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` [PATCH 6/6] ath10k: reporting estimated tx airtime for fairness Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-20 11:05 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-24 8:35 ` Kalle Valo
2018-10-24 8:35 ` Kalle Valo
2018-10-21 11:27 ` [PATCH 0/6] Move TXQ scheduling and airtime fairness into mac80211 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-21 11:27 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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