Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH] hex2bin: make the function hex_to_bin constant-time

From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Mikulas Patocka' <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Andy Shevchenko <andy@kernel.org>,
	Mike Snitzer <msnitzer@redhat.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Milan Broz <gmazyland@gmail.com>,
	device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH] hex2bin: make the function hex_to_bin constant-time
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:59:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e8de034196df450cb352fa60a570acca@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.2204250701410.10912@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>

From: Mikulas Patocka
> Sent: 25 April 2022 12:04
> 
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022, David Laight wrote:
> 
> > From: Linus Torvalds
> > > Sent: 24 April 2022 22:42
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 2:37 PM Linus Torvalds
> > > <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Finally, for the same reason - please don't use ">> 8".  Because I do
> > > > not believe that bit 8 is well-defined in your arithmetic. The *sign*
> > > > bit will be, but I'm not convinced bit 8 is.
> > >
> > > Hmm.. I think it's ok. It can indeed overflow in 'char' and change the
> > > sign in bit #7, but I suspect bit #8 is always fine.
> > >
> > > Still, If you want to just extend the sign bit, ">> 31" _is_ the
> > > obvious thing to use (yeah, yeah, properly "sizeof(int)*8-1" or
> > > whatever, you get my drift).
> >
> > Except that right shifts of signed values are UB.
> > In particular it has always been valid to do an unsigned
> > shift right on a 2's compliment negative number.
> >
> > 	David
> 
> Yes. All the standard versions (C89, C99, C11, C2X) say that right shift
> of a negative value is implementation-defined.
> 
> So, we should cast it to "unsigned" before shifting it.

Except that the intent appears to be to replicate the sign bit.

If it is 'implementation defined' (rather than suddenly being UB)
it might be that the linux kernel requires sign propagating
right shifts of negative values.
This is typically what happens on 2's compliment systems.
But not all small cpu have the required shift instruction.
OTOH all the ones bit enough to run Linux probably do.
(And gcc doesn't support '1's compliment' or 'sign overpunch' cpus.)

The problem is that the compiler writers seem to be entering
a mindset where they are optimising code based on UB behaviour.
So given:
void foo(int x)
{
	if (x >> 1 < 0)
		return;
	do_something();
}
they decide the test is UB, so can always be assumed to be true
and thus do_something() is compiled away.

	David

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