From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
Dave McCracken <dmccr@us.ibm.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.5.43-mm2] New shared page table patch
Date: 21 Oct 2002 21:54:21 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17kgbuo0i.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2577017645.1035188509@[10.10.2.3]>
"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com> writes:
> >> In many cases, this will stop the box from falling over flat on it's
> >> face due to ZONE_NORMAL exhaustion (from pte-chains), or even total
> >> RAM exhaustion (from PTEs). Thus the performance gain is infinite ;-)
> >
> > So why has no one written a pte_chain reaper? It is perfectly sane
> > to allocate a swap entry and move an entire pte_chain to the swap
> > cache.
>
> I think the underlying subsystem does not easily allow for dynamic regeneration,
> so it's non-trivial.
We swap pages out all of the time in 2.4.x, and that is all I was suggesting
swap out some but not all of the pages, on a very long pte_chain. And swapping
out a page is not terribly complex, unless something very drastic has changed.
> wli was looking at doing pagetable reclaim at some point,
> IIRC.
>
>
> IMHO, it's better not to fill memory with crap in the first place than
> to invent complex methods of managing and shrinking it afterwards. You
> only get into pathalogical conditions under sharing situation, else
> it's limited to about 1% of RAM (bad, but manageable) ... thus providing
> this sort of sharing nixes the worst of it. Better cache warmth on
> switches (for TLB misses), faster fork+exec, etc. are nice side-effects.
I will agree with that if everything works so the sharing happens,
this is a nice feature.
> The ultimate solution is per-object reverse mappings, rather than per
> page, but that's a 2.7 thingy now.
???
Last I checked we already had those in 2.4.x, and still in 2.5.x. The
list of place the address space is mapped.
Eric
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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
Dave McCracken <dmccr@us.ibm.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.5.43-mm2] New shared page table patch
Date: 21 Oct 2002 21:54:21 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17kgbuo0i.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2577017645.1035188509@[10.10.2.3]>
"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com> writes:
> >> In many cases, this will stop the box from falling over flat on it's
> >> face due to ZONE_NORMAL exhaustion (from pte-chains), or even total
> >> RAM exhaustion (from PTEs). Thus the performance gain is infinite ;-)
> >
> > So why has no one written a pte_chain reaper? It is perfectly sane
> > to allocate a swap entry and move an entire pte_chain to the swap
> > cache.
>
> I think the underlying subsystem does not easily allow for dynamic regeneration,
> so it's non-trivial.
We swap pages out all of the time in 2.4.x, and that is all I was suggesting
swap out some but not all of the pages, on a very long pte_chain. And swapping
out a page is not terribly complex, unless something very drastic has changed.
> wli was looking at doing pagetable reclaim at some point,
> IIRC.
>
>
> IMHO, it's better not to fill memory with crap in the first place than
> to invent complex methods of managing and shrinking it afterwards. You
> only get into pathalogical conditions under sharing situation, else
> it's limited to about 1% of RAM (bad, but manageable) ... thus providing
> this sort of sharing nixes the worst of it. Better cache warmth on
> switches (for TLB misses), faster fork+exec, etc. are nice side-effects.
I will agree with that if everything works so the sharing happens,
this is a nice feature.
> The ultimate solution is per-object reverse mappings, rather than per
> page, but that's a 2.7 thingy now.
???
Last I checked we already had those in 2.4.x, and still in 2.5.x. The
list of place the address space is mapped.
Eric
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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-18 23:06 [PATCH 2.5.43-mm2] New shared page table patch Dave McCracken
2002-10-19 1:32 ` Ed Tomlinson
2002-10-19 1:32 ` Ed Tomlinson
2002-10-19 19:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-19 19:36 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-19 19:36 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-20 4:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-20 4:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-20 6:18 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-20 6:18 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-21 14:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 14:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 15:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-21 15:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 3:54 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2002-10-22 3:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-22 5:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 5:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 16:09 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 16:09 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 16:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 16:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 18:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-22 18:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-22 19:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 19:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 19:21 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-22 19:21 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-24 10:50 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-24 10:50 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-24 14:22 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-24 14:22 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-24 14:38 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-24 14:38 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-24 14:51 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-24 14:51 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-25 17:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-25 17:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-24 10:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-24 10:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-22 17:19 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 17:19 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 17:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 17:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 17:45 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 17:45 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 17:56 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 17:56 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 18:01 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 18:01 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:03 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 19:03 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 20:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-22 20:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-22 21:33 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 21:33 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:22 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-22 18:22 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-22 18:47 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:47 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:55 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 18:55 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:27 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 19:27 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 19:29 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:29 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-10-22 14:26 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 14:26 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 17:09 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 17:09 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 17:15 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 17:15 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 18:36 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-22 18:36 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-22 18:49 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 18:49 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 19:06 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 19:06 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 19:29 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-22 19:29 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-23 3:03 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-23 3:10 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-23 17:49 ` Gerrit Huizenga
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0210221514430.1648-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2002-10-22 19:11 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-22 19:11 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-22 19:29 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 19:29 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:45 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:45 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 17:54 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-22 17:54 ` Bill Davidsen
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