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From: John Fremlin <chief@bandits.org>
To: "Grover, Andrew" <andrew.grover@intel.com>
Cc: "'Pavel Machek'" <pavel@suse.cz>,
	Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@phobos.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de>,
	Andreas Ferber <aferber@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Let init know user wants to shutdown
Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:23:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m24rvntbbv.fsf@boreas.yi.org.> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8905DE847@orsmsx35.jf.intel.com>
In-Reply-To: "Grover, Andrew"'s message of "Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:45:07 -0700"

 "Grover, Andrew" <andrew.grover@intel.com> writes:

> Hi Pavel,
> 
> I think init is doing a perfect job WRT UPSs because this is a
> trivial application of power management. init wasn't really meant
> for this.  According to its man page:
> 
> "init...it's primary role is to create processes from a script in
> the file /etc/inittab...It also controls autonomous processes
> required by any particular system"
> 
> We are going to need some software that handles button events, as
> well as thermal events, battery events, polling the battery, AC
> adapter status changes, sleeping the system, and more.

Dealing with events should be disjoint from polling the battery or
powerstatus. Many processes might reasonably simultaneously want to
provide a display to the user of the current power status.

However, button presses and so on should be handled by a single
process. Otherwise the kernel is unreasonably complicated by having to
deal with multiple processes' veto power, which could just as well and
more flexibly be handled in userspace.

I don't why there needs to be an additional daemon constantly running
to deal with button presses and power status changes. Apparently init
is already handling similar things: why should it not be extended to
include button presses?

Alternatively, why not forgo a daemon altogether? (This scheme is
already implemented in the pmpolicy patch, i.e. it is already
working.)

> We need WAY more flexibility than init provides. 

Examples please.

[...]

-- 

	http://www.penguinpowered.com/~vii

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-17 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-17 16:45 Let init know user wants to shutdown Grover, Andrew
2001-04-17 19:54 ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-17 22:23 ` John Fremlin [this message]
2001-04-18 15:26 ` Simon Richter
2001-04-18 19:51   ` John Fremlin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-18 22:52 Grover, Andrew
2001-04-26 22:10 ` David S. Miller
2001-04-18 21:46 Grover, Andrew
2001-04-18 22:09 ` David S. Miller
2001-04-18 22:30 ` John Fremlin
2001-04-19  2:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-04-19 12:04 ` David Woodhouse
2001-04-18 18:28 Grover, Andrew
2001-04-18 18:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-04-18 19:36 ` John Fremlin
2001-04-18  0:07 Grover, Andrew
2001-04-18  0:51 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-18  1:56   ` John Fremlin
2001-04-18 11:55     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-18 19:10       ` John Fremlin
2001-04-18 20:10         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-18 20:21           ` John Fremlin
2001-04-18 21:05           ` Avery Pennarun
2001-04-18 21:34             ` John Fremlin
2001-04-20 17:02         ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-02 16:52           ` John Fremlin
2001-04-20 17:01     ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-20 23:41       ` John Fremlin
2001-04-21  7:54         ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-24  0:17         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-24  1:08           ` John Fremlin
2001-04-24 10:06           ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-25 14:28             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-25 16:11               ` Richard Gooch
2001-04-18  1:54 ` John Fremlin
2001-04-16 23:32 Grover, Andrew
2001-04-17  6:40 ` John Fremlin
2001-04-17  6:41 ` Simon Richter
2001-04-17 11:16 ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-12 17:25 David Balazic
2001-04-16  7:03 ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-11 17:06 Grover, Andrew
2001-04-11 18:29 ` John Fremlin
2001-04-11  4:31 alad
2001-04-10 17:05 Grover, Andrew
2001-04-11  4:23 ` John R Lenton
2001-04-11 14:59   ` John Fremlin
2001-04-11 12:20 ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-11 15:10   ` John Fremlin
2001-04-11 14:56 ` John Fremlin
2001-04-04 22:02 Pavel Machek
2001-04-10 23:20 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-04-10 23:30   ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-04-10 23:38   ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-04-10 23:46     ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-04-10 23:53     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-04-10 23:41   ` Mike Castle
2001-04-13  0:29     ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-16 12:42       ` Simon Richter
2001-04-16 15:49         ` Andreas Ferber
2001-04-16 16:25           ` Simon Richter
2001-04-16 21:27             ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-16 21:44               ` Simon Richter
2001-04-16 22:38                 ` Andreas Ferber
2001-04-17  6:16                   ` Simon Richter
2001-04-17  8:39                     ` Andreas Ferber
2001-04-17 14:09                       ` Simon Richter
2001-04-16 21:36         ` Ben Ford
     [not found] ` <9b04food@ncc1701.cistron.net>
     [not found]   ` <9b052eod@ncc1701.cistron.net>
2001-04-13  0:26     ` Pavel Machek

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