RE: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT

RE: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT

[Sumit Pandya]

Hi Devik and All,

>> You can find more information on http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/.  There
is only one relase, but it's so simple, that are no bugs (according to
Devik).
    	I want an architecturial/functional details of your "IMQ" development.
The document on the link is insufficient to explain anything. If you can
please get time to outline about every information about IMQ then I'm sure
it will be going to useful to many peoples. It would be nice to go ahead
with a case study also like HTB.
	Hey one more request for documentation. Its regarding HTB. Why its devloped
and how its superb or advantagious against CBQ?

	Thanks.
-- Sumit


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Re: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT

[bert hubert]

On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 01:48:35PM +0530, Sumit Pandya wrote:
> Hi Devik and All,
> 
> >> You can find more information on http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/.  There
> is only one relase, but it's so simple, that are no bugs (according to
> Devik).
>     	I want an architecturial/functional details of your "IMQ" development.

So you want that. 

> The document on the link is insufficient to explain anything. If you can

You may be insufficiently smart to grasp it.

I seriously think you did not grap how open source works. This is *not* the
way to participate!

Regards,

bert

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RE: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT

[Sumit Pandya]

Hey Bert,

	I'd like to go through detail of nice effort made by you peoples. As you
answered, to use IMQ for my requirement, I placed this question. How did you
answered is quite sarcastic to me. I feel that you forgot yourself as a good
contributor of open-source. Otherwise there would be a warm support to test
your development at one more place and feedback you.

	Oh yeah I confess that I'm a novice in open-source development but not
newbie and very much experienced with Linux kernel network code. Which
includes netfilter hack, some driver modification and detail understanding
of Linux routing code... Anyway I'm not intended to describe my skills.
	I won’t replace my request to you, infact this time loud against whatever I
shown you for my contribution; ya simple but not trivial "a detail
feedback".

	Thankx if you take some time off to write for me to go ahead task.
-- Sumit

-----Original Message-----
From: bert hubert [mailto:ahu@ds9a.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 5:51 PM
To: Sumit Pandya
Cc: lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl; devik@cdi.cz
Subject: Re: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT


On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 01:48:35PM +0530, Sumit Pandya wrote:
> Hi Devik and All,
>
> >> You can find more information on http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/.
There
> is only one relase, but it's so simple, that are no bugs (according to
> Devik).
>     	I want an architecturial/functional details of your "IMQ"
development.

So you want that.

> The document on the link is insufficient to explain anything. If you can

You may be insufficiently smart to grasp it.

I seriously think you did not grap how open source works. This is *not* the
way to participate!

Regards,
bert


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Re: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT

[bert hubert]

On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:12:35PM +0530, Sumit Pandya wrote:
> Hey Bert,
> 
> 	I'd like to go through detail of nice effort made by you peoples. As you
> answered, to use IMQ for my requirement, I placed this question. How did you
> answered is quite sarcastic to me. I feel that you forgot yourself as a good
> contributor of open-source. Otherwise there would be a warm support to test
> your development at one more place and feedback you.

It is a mistake that the open source world consists of saints. For it
doesn't. It's like any other community in that it is a two way effort. You
don't go complaining to volunteers. If you find that something is lacking,
your best action is to fix it. 

If unable to do so, the only thing left is to try to convince people who can
rectify the problem to do so. Confronting them with your demands is not the
way to do so - it is even insulting!

Also, please not that I am not the HTB/IMQ developer. 

Regards,

bert

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Re: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT

[devik]

> > >> You can find more information on http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/.  There
> > is only one relase, but it's so simple, that are no bugs (according to
> > Devik).
> >     	I want an architecturial/functional details of your "IMQ" development.
>
> So you want that.

Hehe .. yes. At least you (Sumit) should change "want" to "it could be
nice" or similar :-)

> > The document on the link is insufficient to explain anything. If you can
>
> You may be insufficiently smart to grasp it.

Maybe I'd have to say something here. IIRC I've stated in the
document that the IMQ is not documented well yet. There are two
reasons for it.
The first is that inner working of IMQ is so incredibly simple that
one look at patch source code should be enough.
The second one is that many developers do its open source work in
their free time. When I write something I document it up to the level
where smart techie can catch up.
When some code/idea gets too popular then people often go and offers
me help and ideas about documentation.
Like Bert and Don in HTB case.

> I seriously think you did not grap how open source works. This is *not* the
> way to participate!

And I have to agree here with Bert. If you want IMQ to be more documented
then look at it try to write some decent help document and for such work
I will answer all what you might need to do it.

In fact when cooperating with Don I send him many kilobytes of answers :)

Regards, devik



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Re: Re: [LARTC] Re: Two-way Shared Traffic shaping and NAT

[Michael T. Babcock]

On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:09:39PM +0100, bert hubert wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:12:35PM +0530, Sumit Pandya wrote:
> > 	I'd like to go through detail of nice effort made by you peoples. As you
> > answered, to use IMQ for my requirement, I placed this question. How did you

You'll probably find that many open source projects are documented in their
source code.  Did you download the IMQ source and read through it?  If you're
not a programmer then a beta-quality project is not the place to hang out and
you might want to wait until it is finished and fully documented for average-joe
use.  At that point, you will have your documentation.

Of course, that point may never come, but feel free to pay a developer to do it
for you.

> > answered is quite sarcastic to me. I feel that you forgot yourself as a good
> > contributor of open-source. Otherwise there would be a warm support to test
> > your development at one more place and feedback you.
> 
> It is a mistake that the open source world consists of saints. 

Mmm ... Linus Torvalds ... the least sarcastic person in the world ... :-P

> Also, please not that I am not the HTB/IMQ developer. 

Bert's just the guy who freely develops a fairly high quality FAQ and HOWTO
w.r.t. the advanced routing & traffic control features of Linux.  I've given
him a hard time about that before, but I wouldn't tell him to document something
unless he wanted to (maybe as a suggestion ;-).
-- 
Michael T. Babcock
CTO, FibreSpeed Ltd.     (Hosting, Security, Consultation, Database, etc)
http://www.fibrespeed.net/~mbabcock/

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