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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-04-03 13:07 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-04-03 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


The following issue has been SUBMITTED.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
======================================================================




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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-04-04 15:09 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-04-04 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              04-04-2005 17:09 CEST
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 1g0R - 04-04-05 17:09 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi,

I have Asus p5Ad2-e Premium motherboard with intel HDA sound.
I use alsa 1.0.9rc2 with option "snd name" model=full_dig in
modprobe.conf
and its working SPDIF, and analog output.
Check your /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib alsa module files.

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue End Monitor: sjankie                    
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-04-05 17:09 1g0R           Note Added: 0004328                          
======================================================================




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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-04-05 12:52 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-04-05 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              04-05-2005 14:52 CEST
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 1g0R - 04-04-05 17:09 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi,

I have Asus p5Ad2-e Premium motherboard with intel HDA sound.
I use alsa 1.0.9rc2 with option "snd name" model=full_dig in
modprobe.conf
and its working SPDIF, and analog output.
Check your /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib alsa module files.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 sjankie - 04-05-05 14:52 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you give me your lspci output?
Can you be more spec. about the  
model=full_dig, driver  nags about: unknow word: model
TNX,

Sjankie

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue End Monitor: sjankie                    
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-04-05 17:09 1g0R           Note Added: 0004328                          
04-05-05 14:52 sjankie        Note Added: 0004337                          
======================================================================




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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-04-05 17:50 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-04-05 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              04-05-2005 19:50 CEST
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 sjankie - 04-05-05 14:52 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you give me your lspci output?
Can you be more spec. about the  
model=full_dig, driver  nags about: unknow word: model
TNX,

Sjankie

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Thomas - 04-05-05 19:50 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Same problem here. Modules loaded but no sound.
I tried all models (even cmi while my card is supposed to be a realtek
ALC880.)
tested with 1.0.8, 1.0.9rc2, cvs.

lspci -v output:
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
        Subsystem: Rioworks: Unknown device 203d
        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 169
        Memory at 80000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
        Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0
Enable-
        Capabilities: [70]
https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=10 [0091]

lspci -vn:
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: 8086:2668 (rev 04)
        Subsystem: 161f:203d


dmesg output:
ALSA
/root/install/alsa/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:552:
codec_mask = 0x3
ALSA
/root/install/alsa/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:511:
hda_codec: no AFG node found

I'll provide any additional informations required.

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue End Monitor: sjankie                    
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-04-05 17:09 1g0R           Note Added: 0004328                          
04-05-05 14:52 sjankie        Note Added: 0004337                          
04-05-05 18:48 Thomas         Issue Monitored: Thomas                      
04-05-05 19:50 Thomas         Note Added: 0004339                          
======================================================================




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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-04-08 19:08 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-04-08 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              04-08-2005 21:08 CEST
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Thomas - 04-05-05 19:50 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Same problem here. Modules loaded but no sound.
I tried all models (even cmi while my card is supposed to be a realtek
ALC880.)
tested with 1.0.8, 1.0.9rc2, cvs.

lspci -v output:
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
        Subsystem: Rioworks: Unknown device 203d
        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 169
        Memory at 80000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
        Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0
Enable-
        Capabilities: [70]
https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=10 [0091]

lspci -vn:
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: 8086:2668 (rev 04)
        Subsystem: 161f:203d


dmesg output:
ALSA
/root/install/alsa/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:552:
codec_mask = 0x3
ALSA
/root/install/alsa/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:511:
hda_codec: no AFG node found

I'll provide any additional informations required.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Thomas - 04-08-05 21:08 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
After some tweakings (don't ask me exactly what I did, I changed lots of
stuff), I've got it working.

Some problems though. Headphone and my laptop speaker are not working.
"Front" output works but there is lot of noise.
"Surround" "Center/LFE" don't work. It might be normal as "Front" is not
plugged.

I can't test inputs.

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue End Monitor: sjankie                    
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-04-05 17:09 1g0R           Note Added: 0004328                          
04-05-05 14:52 sjankie        Note Added: 0004337                          
04-05-05 18:48 Thomas         Issue Monitored: Thomas                      
04-05-05 19:50 Thomas         Note Added: 0004339                          
04-08-05 21:08 Thomas         Note Added: 0004373                          
======================================================================




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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-09-29 19:59 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-09-29 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              09-29-2005 21:59 CEST
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Thomas - 04-08-05 21:08 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
After some tweakings (don't ask me exactly what I did, I changed lots of
stuff), I've got it working.

Some problems though. Headphone and my laptop speaker are not working.
"Front" output works but there is lot of noise.
"Surround" "Center/LFE" don't work. It might be normal as "Front" is not
plugged.

I can't test inputs.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 slack_kid - 09-29-05 21:59 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am currently haveing the same issue wiht my Intel HDA Azalia Hardware. I
purchased a Sager NP 3880 SUPRA recently, and sound is the only problem i
have had thus far.  

The modules compiles, and loads without any errors except:

ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:511: hda_codec: no AFG node found

in dmesg output.  XMMS and all sound programs see the card and act as
though nothing is wrong, but there is  no sound at all. I unmuted all the
channels and turned them up so that if anythign was working i could hear
it, but nothing worked.  I am curently running the 2.6.12 kernel, i
believe it is the vanilla sources, just standard 2.6.12 from kernel.org



Any help is much appreciated

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue End Monitor: sjankie                    
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-04-05 17:09 1g0R           Note Added: 0004328                          
04-05-05 14:52 sjankie        Note Added: 0004337                          
04-05-05 18:48 Thomas         Issue Monitored: Thomas                      
04-05-05 19:50 Thomas         Note Added: 0004339                          
04-08-05 21:08 Thomas         Note Added: 0004373                          
04-15-05 09:06 Thomas         Issue End Monitor: Thomas                    
09-29-05 21:59 slack_kid      Note Added: 0006424                          
======================================================================




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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-10-05  2:48 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-10-05  2:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              10-05-2005 04:48 CEST
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 slack_kid - 09-29-05 21:59 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am currently haveing the same issue wiht my Intel HDA Azalia Hardware. I
purchased a Sager NP 3880 SUPRA recently, and sound is the only problem i
have had thus far.  

The modules compiles, and loads without any errors except:

ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:511: hda_codec: no AFG node found

in dmesg output.  XMMS and all sound programs see the card and act as
though nothing is wrong, but there is  no sound at all. I unmuted all the
channels and turned them up so that if anythign was working i could hear
it, but nothing worked.  I am curently running the 2.6.12 kernel, i
believe it is the vanilla sources, just standard 2.6.12 from kernel.org



Any help is much appreciated

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 crimsunkg - 10-05-05 04:48 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
slack_kid, have you tried a cvs checkout of alsa-kernel and alsa-driver?

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue End Monitor: sjankie                    
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-04-05 17:09 1g0R           Note Added: 0004328                          
04-05-05 14:52 sjankie        Note Added: 0004337                          
04-05-05 18:48 Thomas         Issue Monitored: Thomas                      
04-05-05 19:50 Thomas         Note Added: 0004339                          
04-08-05 21:08 Thomas         Note Added: 0004373                          
04-15-05 09:06 Thomas         Issue End Monitor: Thomas                    
09-29-05 21:59 slack_kid      Note Added: 0006424                          
09-29-05 22:13 slack_kid      Issue Monitored: slack_kid                    
10-05-05 04:48 crimsunkg      Note Added: 0006429                          
======================================================================




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* [ALSA - driver 0001033]: hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
@ 2005-12-24  2:42 bugtrack
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-12-24  2:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel


A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1033> 
======================================================================
Reported By:                sjankie
Assigned To:                
======================================================================
Project:                    ALSA - driver
Issue ID:                   1033
Category:                   PCI - azx
Reproducibility:            always
Severity:                   major
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     new
Distribution:               
Kernel Version:             2.6.11.6
======================================================================
Date Submitted:             04-03-2005 15:07 CEST
Last Modified:              12-24-2005 03:42 CET
======================================================================
Summary:                    hda sound 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
Description: 
0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

azx driver compliens about: NO AFG found.

alsmixer starts, but no sound.
======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 crimsunkg - 10-05-05 04:48 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
slack_kid, have you tried a cvs checkout of alsa-kernel and alsa-driver?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 slack_kid - 12-24-05 03:42 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no i have not, i will checkout the alsa site to see how to do it.  thanks,
ill let you know how things turn out.

Issue History
Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change              
======================================================================
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        New Issue                                    
04-03-05 15:07 sjankie        Kernel Version            => 2.6.11.6        
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue End Monitor: sjankie                    
04-03-05 15:08 sjankie        Issue Monitored: sjankie                     
04-04-05 17:09 1g0R           Note Added: 0004328                          
04-05-05 14:52 sjankie        Note Added: 0004337                          
04-05-05 18:48 Thomas         Issue Monitored: Thomas                      
04-05-05 19:50 Thomas         Note Added: 0004339                          
04-08-05 21:08 Thomas         Note Added: 0004373                          
04-15-05 09:06 Thomas         Issue End Monitor: Thomas                    
09-29-05 21:59 slack_kid      Note Added: 0006424                          
09-29-05 22:13 slack_kid      Issue Monitored: slack_kid                    
10-05-05 04:48 crimsunkg      Note Added: 0006429                          
12-24-05 03:42 slack_kid      Note Added: 0007141                          
======================================================================




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