Fix for SPAM?

Fix for SPAM?

[Takashi Iwai]

Jaroslav,

we're still getting really many spams, and I seriously believe that we
should go back now to the subscribers-only list.  Look at alsa-users
ML and you'll find there far little spams.

If you still prefer the open list, the list should be moved to another
place that has a better spam filter, or doing some filtering manually
in our side.

Thoughts?


Takashi

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Re: Fix for SPAM?

[Karsten Wiese]

Am Dienstag, 20. Februar 2007 schrieb Takashi Iwai:
> Jaroslav,
> 
> we're still getting really many spams, and I seriously believe that we
> should go back now to the subscribers-only list.  Look at alsa-users
> ML and you'll find there far little spams.
> 
> If you still prefer the open list, the list should be moved to another
> place that has a better spam filter, or doing some filtering manually
> in our side.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> Takashi

Wouldn't
      alsa-devel@vger.kernel.org
be a perfect fit?
The kernel list at least is open and its spam filter is ok.

      Karsten

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Re: Fix for SPAM?

[Rene Herman]

On 02/20/2007 12:01 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote:

> If you still prefer the open list, the list should be moved to
> another place that has a better spam filter, or doing some filtering
> manually in our side.

I violently agree and I'm usuallly someone who considers anti-spam 
measures about as annoying as spam itself.

alsa-devel has become to a very high degree unreadable and someone who 
isn't already very certain (s)he wants to be here is not going to stay 
on this list (and become/remain involved with alsa) given these levels 
of spam, meaning this situation is not good for alsa.

As others have said, linux-kernel seems to be doing the right thing and 
alsa-devel@vger.kernel.org sounds great. postmaster@vger.kernel.org 
added to the CC. Would vger mind hosting the list?

Rene.

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Re: Fix for SPAM?

[Clemens Ladisch]

Rene Herman wrote:
> As others have said, linux-kernel seems to be doing the right thing and 
> alsa-devel@vger.kernel.org sounds great.

Most of the spam comes through the old list server alsa-project.org.
It would be enough to disable non-subscriber postings there, or to kill
it entirely.


Regards,
Clemens

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Re: Fix for SPAM?

[Rene Herman]

On 02/21/2007 08:36 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:

> Most of the spam comes through the old list server alsa-project.org. 
> It would be enough to disable non-subscriber postings there, or to
> kill it entirely.

If I'm not mistaken, this was remarked 53 times of the previous 67 times 
this alsa-devel spam issue came up as well, thereby seemingly causing 
the discussion to peter out without anything actually having been done.

Jaroslav: should the list be moved to vger, assuming they wouldn't mind 
hosting it?

Rene.


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Re: Fix for SPAM?

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Rene Herman wrote:

> On 02/21/2007 08:36 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> 
> > Most of the spam comes through the old list server alsa-project.org. It
> > would be enough to disable non-subscriber postings there, or to
> > kill it entirely.
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, this was remarked 53 times of the previous 67 times this
> alsa-devel spam issue came up as well, thereby seemingly causing the
> discussion to peter out without anything actually having been done.
> 
> Jaroslav: should the list be moved to vger, assuming they wouldn't mind
> hosting it?

It's not a problem for me to move lists (I would prefer to let people 
resubscribe to filter the "dead" subscribers).

But, I would like really to keep the universal e-mail address like 
alsa-devel@alsa-project.org rather than alsa-devel@vger or 
alsa-devel@sourceforge....). Actually, the old ALSA server cannot be 
configured to filter e-mails using spam-assassin (the hardware simply 
cannot handle it) and SF appearently uses sender verification (it does not 
accept e-mails from hosts not having SMTP server installed and with broken 
SMTP HELO hostnames).

For immediate solution, I would suggest to moderate list (but I haven't 
time to do it) so I'm asking here for an volunteer (or volunteers). I will 
send them the list administration password on SourceForge.

If everything happens well, I will switch the ALSA server to a XEN virtual 
server with Spam-Assassin in few weeks. So the possibility to filter out 
spams will be greatly increased.

						Jaroslav

-----
Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
Linux Kernel Sound Maintainer
ALSA Project, SUSE Labs

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Re: Fix for SPAM?

[Rene Herman]

On 02/22/2007 08:39 AM, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Rene Herman wrote:

>> [ ... ] without anything actually having been done.
>>
>> Jaroslav: should the list be moved to vger, assuming they wouldn't mind
>> hosting it?

[ reorder ]

> For immediate solution, I would suggest to moderate list (but I 
> haven't time to do it) so I'm asking here for an volunteer (or 
> volunteers). I will send them the list administration password on
> SourceForge.

Ah, goddamnit, you people tricked me! ...

Due to similar contraints I wouldn't have time to do this indefinitely 
but the "few weeks" you speak of below I can do.

Must say though -- if a solution will be in place within those few weeks 
(or earlier, also see below) then I guess we might also just sit it out. 
It's been this way for quite some time now and personally I'm not a big 
fan of moderated lists due to the inevitable delays.

Obviously also not a big fan of the current state of alsa-devel as a 
spam collector so if people want, I volunteer for those few weeks. Am 
not familiar with how this works; Clemens said the old server was the 
meat of the problem. Is there a chance to only do those? So that only 
the mail coming in through this "suspicious route" would be subject to 
the moderation delay?

Rest of the mail:

> It's not a problem for me to move lists (I would prefer to let people
> resubscribe to filter the "dead" subscribers).

Agree.

> But, I would like really to keep the universal e-mail address like 
> alsa-devel@alsa-project.org rather than alsa-devel@vger or 
> alsa-devel@sourceforge....).

I can sympathise with that.

> Actually, the old ALSA server cannot be configured to filter e-mails
> using spam-assassin (the hardware simply cannot handle it) and SF
> appearently uses sender verification (it does not accept e-mails from
> hosts not having SMTP server installed and with broken SMTP HELO
> hostnames).

There might be another possibility -- I could try to get you setup with 
nl.linux.org, the same server that runs kernelnewbies (website and ML).

kernelnewbies is spam free (it's run by Rik van Riel) and the ALSA lists 
   aren't so busy they'd impose a significant extra load on the server. 
I suspect the server admins would be okay with hosting the alsa lists 
and probably with being a primary MX for alsa-project.org so that the 
generic names would still work fine; am I correct in believing this 
would be what you'd want/need to keep the generic alsa-project.org names 
going?

Or vger after all, if they wouldn't mind the same...

> If everything happens well, I will switch the ALSA server to a XEN
> virtual server with Spam-Assassin in few weeks. So the possibility to
> filter out spams will be greatly increased.

Okay. So, here's what I would prefer in decreasing order of preference.

1. move the list to vger
2. move the list to nl.linux.org
3. sit it out until you've got the Xen VM setup
4. moderate the mail coming in through the old server until 3
5. moderate everything until 3

If you'd like 1 or 2, I'll start pinging people there. I expect I should 
be able to get nl.linux.org setup. As said, if needed I can do 4 or 5.

Certainly can do 3...

Rene.

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Re: Fix for SPAM?

[Rick]

In article <s5hmz39rt2y.wl%tiwai@suse.de>, Takashi Iwai  <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:

>we're still getting really many spams, and I seriously believe that we
>should go back now to the subscribers-only list.  Look at alsa-users
>ML and you'll find there far little spams.

I'm very aware of how much spam this list gets. You can read a
personally de-spammed archive of the list here:

  http://www.spinics.net/lists/alsa-devel/




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