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From: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Daniel Baluta <daniel.baluta@gmail.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@intel.com, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com,
	vkoul@kernel.org, Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>,
	sound-open-firmware@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: [Sound-open-firmware] [PATCH v4 01/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware driver core
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:08:13 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a1951bde-ec78-0a4c-9c74-0f5eba2facc6@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190221184748.GF5970@sirena.org.uk>


On 2/21/19 12:47 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 03:32:54PM -0600, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
>
>> The only reason for extending the struct snd_soc_pcm_runtime was to enable
>> the use of a 'context' in PCM operations, see e.g in patch 5/14 the repeated
>> pattern to get an 'SOF PCM' context:
>> struct snd_sof_pcm *spcm = rtd->private;
> The reason you're having trouble with this is that the DSP isn't really
> properly visible in the system, it's pushed in on the side with DPCM
> coexisting with multiple other drivers so as far as I can see it's hard
> for it to fit in anywhere in Intel systems.
>
>> So ironically in ASoC we don't have a means to use a private_data field for
>> the substreams since it's used for a 'standard' mechanism.
> This is why there's things like snd_soc_dai_get_dma_data() and
> snd_soc_component_get_drvdata() - if you're a fully visible component in
> the system there's ways to get to your ASoC specific driver data.  For
> something like SoF that'd mean cooperating with the drivers for the
> devices with the SoF using DSPs in some way.
>
>> The extension suggested in this patch 1/14 was really trying to come back to
>> a practical means to store a context in a substream, and make the PCM
>> operations manageable. I totally agree that extending the PCM runtime might
>> not recommended or safe, but at this point I don't have any slack in the
>> existing data structures to add a context in a substream.
>> Does this help clarify the problem statement?
> It is fairly clear what driver data is useful for.  The issue is that
> instead of getting to it through the relevant hardware component you're
> adding something directly in the core data structure, whatever way we
> look at it that's going to be awkward.  Consider for example what
> happens if someone integrates a system with a SoF DSP in the SoC and
> another SoF DSP in the CODEC - there will be two separate copies of SoF
> on a single DAI so a SoF specific value directly in the runtime isn't
> going to work.
>
> If there were a component for the DSP (or the DSP was fully part of some
> other existing component) then it should be possible to arrange to get
> to the DSP data using that but with it just floating there unattached to
> anything it's harder.

After spending a bit more time on this, I agree it's possible to 
retrieve the required information without any change to the rtd 
structure. There are existing precedents using 
substream->runtime->private_data, e.g. to store an HDAudio stream tag, 
and SOF already has a list of contexts that can be searched for with a 
simple list walk.

Modeling the DSP differently is something I'll add to my 
growing-by-the-day TODO list.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-22  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-13 22:07 [PATCH v4 00/14] ASoC: Sound Open Firmware (SOF) core Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware driver core Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14  9:25   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:53     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-19 15:38       ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 14:35         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 16:26           ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 21:32             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 18:47               ` Mark Brown
2019-02-22  0:08                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart [this message]
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware KControl support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14  9:30   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:35     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 15:21       ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] ASoC: SOF: Add driver debug support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] ASoC: SOF: Add support for IPC IO between DSP and Host Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 11:52   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:56     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 17:31       ` Mark Brown
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] ASoC: SOF: Add PCM operations support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 11:20   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:07     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 20:42       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-18 15:51   ` Daniel Baluta
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] ASoC: SOF: Add support for loading topologies Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] ASoC: SOF: Add DSP firmware logger support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:19   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:13     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 17:44   ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 20:18     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 12:29       ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-02-21 14:57         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:04         ` Mark Brown
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] ASoC: SOF: Add DSP HW abstraction operations Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:21   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:22     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:45   ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-02-14 15:21     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] ASoC: SOF: Add firmware loader support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] ASoC: SOF: Add userspace ABI support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] ASoC: SOF: Add PM support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Nocodec machine driver support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] ASoC: SOF: Add xtensa support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] ASoC: SOF: Add utils Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:33   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 13:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-18 20:03 ` [v4,00/14] ASoC: Sound Open Firmware (SOF) core Xiang Xiao
2019-02-19  9:49   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2019-02-19 15:09     ` xiang xiao
2019-02-19 15:55       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21  4:39         ` Vinod Koul
2019-02-21 10:42           ` Arnaud Pouliquen
2019-02-21 11:28             ` Mark Brown
2019-02-21 23:49               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:27           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22  8:32             ` xiang xiao
2019-02-22 11:15               ` Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 18:21                 ` xiang xiao
2019-02-25  3:05                   ` [Sound-open-firmware] [v4, 00/14] " Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 14:48               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22 18:41                 ` xiang xiao
2019-02-22 21:52                   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-23 16:42                     ` xiang xiao
2019-02-25 10:16                 ` Srinivas Kandagatla

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