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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	Kuninori Morimoto <kuninori.morimoto.gx@renesas.com>,
	Sameer Pujar <spujar@nvidia.com>,
	vkoul@kernel.org, broonie@kernel.org,
	Gyeongtaek Lee <gt82.lee@samsung.com>,
	Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: fix trigger race conditions with shared BE
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:34:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5htuhm3g68.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8c1353f0-e897-e7b0-c7b9-5712b05ac91f@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 22:06:51 +0200,
Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> 
> 
> >>> Basically we need to protect two things:
> >>> - The BE links
> >>> - The concurrent accesses to BEs
> >>> The former belongs to each FE that holds the links, and the FE stream
> >>> lock would cover.  The latter is rather a per-BE business.
> >>>
> >>> An oft-seen risk of multiple locks is deadlocking, but in this case,
> >>> as long as we keep the lock order FE->BE, nothing wrong can happen.
> >>
> >> famous last words  "nothing wrong can happen." :-)
> >>
> >> I already added a helper to do this FE lock, I can easily replace the
> >> implementation to remove the spin_lock and use the FE PCM lock.
> >> we might even add the lock in the definition of for_each_dpcm_be() to
> >> avoid misses.
> >>
> >> Let me try this out today, thanks for the suggestions.
> > 
> > well, it's not successful at all...
> > 
> > When I replace the existing dpcm_lock with the FE PCM lock as you
> > suggested, without any additional changes, speaker-test produces valid
> > audio on the endpoints, but if I try a Ctrl-C or limit the number of
> > loops with the '-l' option, I hear an endless loop on the same buffer
> > and I have to power cycle my test device to stop the sound.
> > 
> > See 2 patches attached, the first patch with the introduction of the
> > helper works fine, the second with the use of the FE PCM lock doesn't.
> > In hindsight I am glad I worked on minimal patches, one after the other,
> > to identify problems.
> > 
> > And when I add the BE lock, then nothing happens. Device stuck and no
> > audio...
> > 
> > There must be something we're missing related to the locking...
> 
> And indeed there's a deadlock!
> 
> snd_pcm_period_elapsed() takes the FE pcm stream lock, and will call
> snd_pcm_trigger.

Indeed, this would deadlock.

> So if we also take the pcm stream lock in the BE
> trigger, there's a conceptual deadlock: we painted ourselves in a corner
> by using the same lock twice.
> 
> Takashi, are you really sure we should protect these for_each_dpcm_be()
> loops with the same pcm lock?

The call within the FE lock is done only in dpcm_dai_trigger_fe_be(),
and this should call dpcm_be_dai_trigger() as is.  In other places,
the calls are without FE lock, hence they can take the lock,
e.g. create a variant dpcm_dai_trigger_fe_be_lock().

> it seems like asking for trouble to
> revisit the ALSA core just to walking through a list of BEs? Would you
> object to changing dpcm_lock as I suggested, but not interfering with
> stream handling?

That would work, too, it's just a pity to degrade the fine-grained
locks that have been already taken into global locks...


Takashi

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-12  6:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-04 22:54 [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: fix trigger race conditions with shared BE Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-04 22:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: remove snd_soc_dpcm_fe_can_update() Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-04 22:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: don't export local functions, use static Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-04 22:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: replace dpcm_lock with dpcm_mutex Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-04 22:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: protect for_each_dpcm_be() loops " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-04 22:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: test refcount before triggering Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-05  6:36 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] ASoC: soc-pcm: fix trigger race conditions with shared BE Sameer Pujar
2021-10-05 13:17   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-06 14:22     ` Sameer Pujar
2021-10-06 19:47       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-07 11:06         ` Takashi Iwai
2021-10-07 13:31           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-07 14:59             ` Takashi Iwai
2021-10-07 15:24               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-07 15:44                 ` Takashi Iwai
2021-10-07 18:13                   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-07 21:11                     ` Takashi Iwai
2021-10-07 21:27                       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-08  6:13                         ` Takashi Iwai
2021-10-08 14:41                           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-08 14:51                             ` Takashi Iwai
2021-10-08 15:41                               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-08 19:09                                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-11 20:06                                   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-12  6:34                                     ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2021-10-12 10:42                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2021-10-12 13:45                                         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2021-10-12 15:07                                           ` Takashi Iwai

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