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From: Lion Ackermann <nnamrec@gmail.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] net: filter: remove dead instructions in filter code
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:54:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13ff2689-a17a-4403-8399-7c04d40e8c93@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJD1yc=ymX54fjON9ti4DpzOy7M10YE2T1nw750f3FcFQ@mail.gmail.com>


On 4/11/25 5:20 PM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:24 PM Lion Ackermann <nnamrec@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 4/10/25 5:05 PM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 1:32 AM Lion Ackermann <nnamrec@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is well-known to be possible to abuse the eBPF JIT to construct
>>>> gadgets for code re-use attacks. To hinder this constant blinding was
>>>> added in "bpf: add generic constant blinding for use in jits". This
>>>> mitigation has one weakness though: It ignores jump instructions due to
>>>> their correct offsets not being known when constant blinding is applied.
>>>> This can be abused to construct "jump-chains" with crafted offsets so
>>>> that certain desirable instructions are generated by the JIT compiler.
>>>> F.e. two consecutive BPF_JMP | BPF_JA codes with an appropriate offset
>>>> might generate the following jumps:
>>>>
>>>>     ...
>>>>     0xffffffffc000f822:    jmp    0xffffffffc00108df
>>>>     0xffffffffc000f827:    jmp    0xffffffffc0010861
>>>>     ...
>>>>
>>>> If those are hit unaligned we can get two consecutive useful
>>>> instructions:
>>>>
>>>>     ...
>>>>     0xffffffffc000f823:    mov    $0xe9000010,%eax
>>>>     0xffffffffc000f828:    xor    $0xe9000010,%eax
>>>>     ...
>>>
>>> Nack.
>>> This is not exploitable.
>>> We're not going to complicate classic bpf because of theoretical concerns.
>>>
>>> pw-bot: cr
>>
>> This is not a theoretical concern, it is actually very practical. Sorry
>> for not making this clearer. I would rather not share full payloads
>> publicly at this point, though.
> 
> Do share.

I am not sure if sharing adds any particular value here. The mitigation
targets the 5-byte-variant of the x86 jmp instruction as stated above.
You would only get more examples of the same instruction.
Also note that the mitigation does not prevent the 2-byte-variant.
Beside jumps, there are a couple of other possible instructions that
allow a 1 byte payload encoding, so I did not bother.

> JIT spraying is nothing new. Blinding only made it harder.
> There are lots of usable gadgets without it as well.
> Turn off JIT completely and nothing changes from security pov.

True, the proposal only has an effect if blinding+jit is enabled. 
Otherwise it's useless.
If that is not good enough to add complexity to the cBPF code, then
I suppose we should take this back to the drawing board?

Thanks,
Lion


      reply	other threads:[~2025-04-15  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-10  8:32 [PATCH net-next] net: filter: remove dead instructions in filter code Lion Ackermann
2025-04-10 15:05 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-04-11  6:24   ` Lion Ackermann
2025-04-11 15:20     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-04-15  8:54       ` Lion Ackermann [this message]

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