From: Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>
To: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: yet another approach Was: [PATCH bpf-next v3 4/5] bpf, x86: Add jit support for private stack
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 23:28:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a1686631-3c65-4ed0-bdb6-90fa1f0c6242@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP01T75JUvKUJH4OKDOSySQcK5xP0nFs48FbW_dqMzeo9DhQOw@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/1/24 7:16 PM, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 at 03:26, Alexei Starovoitov
> <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 5:23 PM Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Makes sense, though will we have cases where hierarchical scheduling
>>> attaches the same prog at different points of the hierarchy?
>> I'm not sure anyone was asking for such a use case.
> I wondered because why would you then need a limit of 4 (say instead
> of disallowing it)?
>
>>> Then the
>>> limit of 4 may not be enough (e.g. say with cgroup nested levels > 4).
>> Well, 4 was the number from TJ.
>>
> Ok, then let's assume 4 would be enough.
>
>> Anyway the proposed pseudo code:
>>
>> __bpf_prog_enter_recur_limited()
>> {
>> cnt = this_cpu_inc_return(*(prog->active));
>> if (cnt > 4) {
>> inc_miss
>> return 0;
>> }
>> // pass cnt into bpf prog somehow, like %rdx ?
>> // or re-read prog->active from prog
>> }
>>
>>
>> then in the prologue emit:
>>
>> push rbp
>> mov rbp, rsp
>> if %rdx == 1
>> // main prog is called for the first time
>> mov rsp, pcpu_priv_stack_top
This sounds good in high level. I still need to figure out
'if %rdx == 1' part and how to implement this.
>> else
>> // 2+nd time main prog is called or 1+ time subprog
>> sub rsp, stack_size
>> if rsp < pcpu_priv_stack_bottom
>> goto exit // stack is too small, exit
>> fi
> I think we need just the second part for subprogs, right?
> Since rdx is R3 (arg into subprog).
> I guess that's what you meant in the pseudocode.
> But otherwise sounds good.
> The benefit with stack probing is we don't exactly limit to 4 cases.
>
> Another option instead of the branch in main prog is to divide in 4
> slots (as you said before) and choose the slot based on cnt.
> But then we're stuck with a max limit of 4. Since we're allocating
> stack size of bpf + extra (which I guess is 8K?). rdx can be used to
> pass in the priv_stack address of the right slot.
>
> So I think the probing version seems better. We can probably pass in
> rdx = priv_stack and then test and cmov instead for main prog.
Yes, we do not need to limit to 4, checking rsp < pcpu_priv_stack_bottom
should be okay.
>
>> Since stack bottom/top are known at JIT time we can
>> generate reliable stack overflow checks.
>> Much better than guard pages and -fstack-protector.
>> The prog can alloc percpu
>> (stack size of main prog + subprogs + extra) * 4
> extra will be 8K, I guess (same as kernel stack size)?
> Just confirming.
>
>> and it likely will be enough.
>> If not, the stack protection will gently exit the prog
>> when the stack is too deep.
> I like this stack probing version, since there's no hard limit on the
> number of recursions, and it's safe against stack overflow as well.
>
>> kfunc won't have such a check, so we need a buffer zone.
>> Can have a guard page too, but feels like overkill.
> I was leaning toward saying yes for a guard page, since we'll atleast
> have a hard error instead of random corruption if the kfunc goes
> beyond the bottom after probing succeeds.
>
> But the better way might be doing if rsp < pcpu_priv_stack_bottom +
> 8K, so we leave max headroom we reserve for kernel stuff (or say add
> 4K instead, which should be good enough), and then skip execution.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-02 6:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-26 23:45 [PATCH bpf-next v3 0/5] bpf: Support private stack for bpf progs Yonghong Song
2024-09-26 23:45 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 1/5] bpf: Allow each subprog having stack size of 512 bytes Yonghong Song
2024-09-26 23:45 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 2/5] bpf: Collect stack depth information Yonghong Song
2024-09-30 14:42 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-09-30 16:23 ` Yonghong Song
2024-09-26 23:45 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 3/5] bpf: Mark each subprog with proper pstack states Yonghong Song
2024-09-30 14:49 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-09-30 16:26 ` Yonghong Song
2024-09-26 23:45 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 4/5] bpf, x86: Add jit support for private stack Yonghong Song
2024-09-27 4:58 ` Leon Hwang
2024-09-27 15:24 ` Yonghong Song
2024-09-29 8:31 ` kernel test robot
2024-09-30 16:29 ` Yonghong Song
2024-09-29 13:02 ` kernel test robot
2024-09-30 16:31 ` Yonghong Song
2024-09-29 13:34 ` kernel test robot
2024-09-30 15:03 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-09-30 16:33 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-01 4:31 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-01 4:37 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-01 18:49 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-01 19:53 ` yet another approach Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-01 20:50 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-01 21:28 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-02 0:22 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-02 1:26 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-02 2:16 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-02 6:28 ` Yonghong Song [this message]
2024-10-02 6:48 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-03 6:17 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-03 13:39 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-03 17:35 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-03 18:53 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-03 20:44 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-03 20:47 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-03 20:54 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-03 22:32 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-04 5:22 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-04 19:27 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-04 19:52 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-05 2:03 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-08 22:10 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-09 2:06 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-09 6:31 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-09 14:56 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-09 15:56 ` Yonghong Song
2024-10-09 16:36 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-09 16:38 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-09 17:37 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-10-09 6:12 ` Yonghong Song
2024-09-26 23:45 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 5/5] selftests/bpf: Add private stack tests Yonghong Song
2024-09-30 13:40 ` Jiri Olsa
2024-09-30 15:05 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-09-30 16:35 ` Yonghong Song
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