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From: Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 10/21] Makefile: move source-check outside of noconfig_targets
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 23:58:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150413215831.GQ29025@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150413230640.10513197@free-electrons.com>

Thomas, All,

On 2015-04-13 23:06 +0200, Thomas Petazzoni spake thusly:
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:49:16 +0200, Yann E. MORIN wrote:
> 
> > Reviewed-by: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
> > Tested-by: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
> > 
> > However, I noticed that source-check tries to go to the mirror. For
> > example, cjson fails to download from svn for me here, and it falls back
> > to looking on the mirror, and thus concludes it exists.
> > 
> > Shouldn't source-check be limited to looking at the upstream locations?
> > 
> > However, not a blocker, since it;s already the behaviour we have.
> 
> Yes, the behavior you're observing is indeed the current behavior as
> far as I know, so my patches are not changing this. Indeed, we could
> discuss whether source-check should check only primary site + upstream
> site, or primary site + upstream site + sources.b.o.
> 
> From a BR maintenance point of view, checking only primary site +
> upstream is probably better as it means we can get notified when an
> upstream has disappeared.
> 
> But from a BR user point of view, what's important is that the source
> code remains available *somewhere*, be it from upstream or sources.b.o.
> 
> So I'm not very decided on this. Opinions welcome.

Well, I have a slightly different opinion.

First, I agree that for Buildroot maintenance, we only care about
upstream, not even primary or backup sites. We do not even have a
primary.

Second, for a user that wants to be serious, the only thing that would
really matter in the end is the existence of the package on the primary
site.

Let me explain...

In an enterprise-grade project, one can not rely on external resources
to be always available; one can only rely on internal resources. Thus,
in that case, source-check should only look at the primary.

However, that primary has to filled in to begin with, and that is often
done by just running "make source" and then copying those sources to the
primary. If an upstream source is missing, it is the moment one wants to
be notified. There's no reason to run a source-check onto upstream, even
less so on the mirror.

So, in my opinion, source-check should behave as such:

  - if primary is set, only check on primary
  - if primary is not set, only check upstream
  - never check on the mirror

That would cover the use-cases above.

Regards,
Yann E. MORIN.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-13 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-12 16:37 [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 00/21] Package based 'source', 'legal-info', 'source-check' and 'external-deps' Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 01/21] pkg-kconfig: declare phony targets as such Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 19:32   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 02/21] fs: " Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 19:37   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14  8:13     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 03/21] Makefile: targets are now declared phony by the appropriate infrastructures Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14  8:17     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 04/21] Makefile: rename TARGETS to PACKAGES Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 20:01   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14  8:18     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 05/21] fs: add rootfs dependencies " Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 06/21] Makefile: use <pkg>-all-legal-info to implement the legal-info target Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 20:14   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 07/21] Makefile: simplify show-targets Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 08/21] Makefile: use the package infra based external-deps Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14  0:10   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-14  7:52     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 11:22       ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-14 12:05         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 19:14           ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 09/21] pkg-download: remove support for the SHOW_EXTERNAL_DEPS DL_MODE Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 20:31   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-13 20:33     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 20:40       ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-13 22:29         ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-13 20:38   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14 19:34   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 10/21] Makefile: move source-check outside of noconfig_targets Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 20:49   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-13 21:06     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 21:58       ` Yann E. MORIN [this message]
2015-04-13 22:18         ` Ryan Barnett
2015-04-14 19:42   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-14 21:38     ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-17 15:49     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 11/21] pkg-download: extend DOWNLOAD_INNER, add a SOURCE_CHECK macro Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 21:00   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14 20:06     ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-14 22:25       ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14 22:41         ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-17 10:38           ` Nicolas Cavallari
2015-04-17 14:00             ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 12/21] pkg-generic: implement source-check targets Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 21:05   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-13 21:25     ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-13 21:36       ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14 20:22   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 13/21] Makefile: implement a package based source-check target Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 21:07   ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14 20:30   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 14/21] pkg-generic: remove the .stamp_rsync_sourced fake stamp file Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 20:55   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:37 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 15/21] pkg-generic: don't use DL_MODE in .stamp_downloaded Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 21:36   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:38 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 16/21] pkg-download: get rid of DL_MODE Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 21:46   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:38 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 17/21] pkg-download: fix indentation for SOURCE_CHECK_* macros Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 21:41   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:38 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 18/21] pkg-generic: propagate <pkg>_EXTRA_DOWNLOADS from target to host package Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 21:50   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-17 15:27     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-12 16:38 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 19/21] pkg-generic: introduce a <pkg>_ALL_DOWNLOADS variable and factorize code Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 22:27   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:38 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 20/21] Makefile: implement the 'source' target using the package infrastructure Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 22:31   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 16:38 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 21/21] Makefile: remove unneeded variables Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-14 22:31   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2015-04-12 17:16 ` [Buildroot] [PATCHv2 00/21] Package based 'source', 'legal-info', 'source-check' and 'external-deps' Thomas Petazzoni
2015-04-13 21:46 ` Yann E. MORIN
2015-04-14  8:20 ` Thomas Petazzoni

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