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From: Nigel Kukard <nkukard@lbsd.net>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] Buildroot maintainer and stable releases
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:52:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49637048.9090506@lbsd.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87prj1v4dy.fsf@macbook.be.48ers.dk>

Hi,

> Hi, and happy new year everyone,
>   
Likewise.

> The end of the year is a moment to take a step back and take a bigger
> look at the situation. I have done that for buildroot, and as I see it
> the two biggest problems we have are:
>
>  - Lack of an active maintainer. No hard feelings, but lets face it -
>    Erik hasn't really been active in buildroot development for quite
>    some time. This isn't a big deal for day to day development, but it
>    means that there's no one doing stuff like keeping the website
>    up to date, a central contact point for infrastruture issues (like
>    the recent break in), make decissions when there is disagreements
>    among developers (we already lost Bernhard because of that), and:
>   
wrt central contacts and points of contacts ... we need that MAINTAINERS
file :)

>  - Lack of releases. It has often been discussed, but nothing has come
>    of it.
>
> I offer to do something about both: Take over maintainership and get
> atual stable releases out the door (if Erik and the other developers
> agree).
>   
Personally I like how you handle the project and try steer it with the
resources available, I would like to see you being the project maintainer.


> What is the plan? Getting the first release out is always the hardest,
> so I would on purpose aim low for the first release and get it out
> soon (February). The target is to get all architectures to build (and
> run where hw is available for test) using the default toolchain config
> and busybox, anything else is just a bonus. I will put out the first
> release candidate early next week, so from then on please don't add
> anything else than bugfixes until the release it out. I believe in
> time based releases, so any architectures that we cannot fix in time
> will simply be disabled in kconfig (E.G. depend on BROKEN).
>
> After that I would like us to move to a regular release schedule every
> 3 months with 2 months of development and 1 month of stabilization.
>   
And those components without maintainers scheduled to be dropped or
deprecated (using BROKEN, DEPRECATED, NEEDS_MAINTAINER or however the
finer detail may advise) after X number of releases if no maintainer
steps up, this would help with some of the more severe bitrot in
portions of buildroot.

> The big issue with buildroot quality control is the mindblowing number
> of configuration combinations and specialized hardware needed to
> test. I am therefore convinced we need to leverage qemu and
> agressively deprecate legacy versions / packages + actively work with
> upstream to keep the number of patches low. I think our users would
> also be happier with a less ambitious project that wouldn't break left
> and right, instead of the current situation.
>
>   
The other thing is possibly a mirror for buildroot releases so people at
least know those packages at those versions will always be available, or
at least available 6 months or so down the line?

-N

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-06 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-05 21:18 [Buildroot] Buildroot maintainer and stable releases Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 12:02 ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-06 12:39   ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-06 12:55     ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 15:32       ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-06 12:44   ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07  3:09     ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-07  8:08       ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07  8:27       ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07  8:31         ` Nigel Kukard
2009-01-07 12:19         ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-07 13:02           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 14:01           ` Thiago A. Corrêa
2009-01-08 17:50             ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-08 18:29               ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-08 20:28                 ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-08 21:05                   ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-08 22:06                     ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-08 22:33                       ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-08 23:13                         ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-09  9:15                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-09  9:12                         ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 11:13       ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-07 11:28         ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 12:10           ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-07 12:24             ` Nigel Kukard
2009-01-07 12:57             ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 18:13             ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-07 19:16               ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-07 19:39                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-08  8:25                 ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-08  9:10                   ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 11:50         ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-07 11:54           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 12:55             ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-06 14:01 ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-06 15:08   ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 18:32     ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-06 18:52       ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 19:09         ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-06 19:23           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 18:43           ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-07 19:26             ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-07 20:22               ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-07 20:31                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-08  8:27                   ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-08  9:12                     ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-08 10:02                       ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-07 23:42                 ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-08  9:00                   ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 14:52 ` Nigel Kukard [this message]
2009-01-06 15:01   ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-08 21:00   ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-06 18:22 ` Thiago A. Corrêa
2009-01-06 18:33   ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 18:53     ` Thiago A. Corrêa
2009-01-06 18:55     ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-06 19:19       ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 19:02   ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-06 19:16     ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-06 20:49       ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-07 11:29         ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 12:34           ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-07 13:15             ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 18:02             ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-07 19:13               ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-07 19:36                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 20:36                   ` Joe George
2009-01-07 20:47                     ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-07 23:28                   ` Ulf Samuelsson
2009-01-08  8:07                 ` Thomas Lundquist
2009-01-08 19:22 ` Steve Calfee

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