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From: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kapil Arya <kapil-1vnkWVZi4QaVc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>,
	Gene Cooperman <gene-1vnkWVZi4QaVc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	ksummit-2010-discuss-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:25:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE58BBD.8010706@cs.columbia.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117221713.GA27736-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>



On 11/17/2010 05:17 PM, Matt Helsley wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:57:40PM +0100, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello, Oren.
>>
>> On 11/07/2010 10:59 PM, Oren Laadan wrote:

<snip>

>>> Or we could use linux-cr for that: do the c/r in the kernel,
>>> keep the know-how in the kernel, expose (and commit to) a
>>> per-kernel-version ABI (not vow to keep countless new individual
> 
> Oren, that statement might be read to imply that it's based on
> something as useless as kernel version numbers. Arnd has pointed out in the
> past how unsuitable that is and I tend to agree. There are at least two
> possible things we can relate it to: the SHA of the compiled kernel tree
> (which doesn't quite work because it assumes everybody uses git trees :( ),
> or perhaps the SHA/hash of the cpp-processed checkpoint_hdr.h. We could
> also stuff that header into the kernel (much like kconfigs are output from
> /proc) for programs that want the kernel to describe the ABI to them.

BTW, it's the same for userspace c/r: for the same set of features,
the format (ABI) remains unchanged. Adding features breaks this and
a new version is necessary, and conversion from old to new will be
needed.

Moreover, supporting a new feature in userspace means adding the
proper API/ABI in the kernel, including refactoring etc, which is
even harder than adding the support for it in linux-cr.

Oren.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-18 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]             ` <20101106204008.GA31077@sundance.ccs.neu.edu>
2010-11-07 21:44               ` [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:31                 ` Gene Cooperman
     [not found]               ` <4CD5D99A.8000402@cs.columbia.edu>
     [not found]                 ` <20101107184927.GF31077@sundance.ccs.neu.edu>
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2010-11-07 21:59                     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 11:57                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:39                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-11-17 15:46                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18  9:13                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                               ` <4CE4EE21.6050305-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18  9:48                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:13                                   ` Jose R. Santos
2010-11-19  3:54                                   ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-18 19:53                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-19  4:10                             ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-19 14:04                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <4CE683E1.6010500-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 14:36                                   ` Kirill Korotaev
     [not found]                                     ` <04F4899E-B5C7-4BAF-8F2F-05D507A91408-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 15:33                                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:00                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:01                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:10                                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:25                                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:06                                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:16                                             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:19                                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:27                                                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                                                   ` <AANLkTin7kd3crS+fTLLea5PhAii7B3dz=n7p7YtQ6d4g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 16:32                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:38                                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:50                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:55                                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-20 17:58                                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:08                                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:11                                   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                                     ` <4CE69B8C.6050606-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-20 18:15                                       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 19:33                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-21  8:18                                           ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21  8:21                                             ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-22 18:02                                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-23 17:53                                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-24  3:50                                                 ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-25 16:04                                                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-29  4:09                                                     ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 22:41                                             ` Grant Likely
2010-11-22 17:34                                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-22 17:18                                           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:05                                 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 22:17                         ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]                           ` <20101117221713.GA27736-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 10:06                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:25                             ` Oren Laadan [this message]
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTimDXKsBCxbsEOfgkYV2R8FK=bhFdmx9UQow5hqp@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <4CD5DCE3.3000109@cs.columbia.edu>
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     [not found]                 ` <4CD71A6B.3020905@cs.columbia.edu>
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     [not found]                     ` <4CD774CA.8030004@cs.columbia.edu>
     [not found]                       ` <20101108162630.GN31077@sundance.ccs.neu.edu>
2010-11-08 18:14                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 18:37                           ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 19:34                             ` Oren Laadan

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