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From: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Kapil Arya <kapil@ccs.neu.edu>, Gene Cooperman <gene@ccs.neu.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xemul@sw.ru,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:05:15 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE69B9B.7020302@cs.columbia.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CE683E1.6010500@kernel.org>

Hi,

Based on discussion with Gene, I'd like to clarify key points and
difference between kernel and userspace approaches (specifically
linux-cr and dmtcp): three parts to break the long post...

part I: perpsectice about the types of scopes of c/r in discussion
part II: linux-cr design adn objectives
part III: comparison kernel/userspace approaches

[now relax, grab (another) cup of coffee and read on...]

PART I:  ==PERSPECTIVE==

A rough classification of c/r categories:

* container-c/r: important use-case, e.g. c/r and migration of an
  application containers like VPS (virtual private server), VDI
  (desktop) or  other self-contained application (e.g. Oracle server).
  Here _all_ the relevant processes are included in the checkpoint.

* standalone-c/r: another use-case is standalone-c/r where a set of
  processes is checkpointed, but not the entire environment, and then
  those processes are restarted in a different "eco-system".

* distributed-c/r: meaning several sets of processes, each running
  on a different host. (Each set may be a separate container there).

In container-c/r, the main challenge is to be _reliable_ in the sense
that a restart from a successful checkpoint should always succeed.

In standalone-c/r, the main challenge is that an application resumes
execution after a restart in a possible _different_ eco-system. Some
application don't care (e.g 'bc'). Other applications do care, and to
different degrees; for these we need "glue" to pacify the application.

There are generally three types of "glue":

(1) Modify the application or selected libraries to be c/r-aware, and
  notify it when restart completes. (e.g. CoCheck MPI library).
(2) Add a userspace helper that will run post-restart to do necessary
  trickery (eg. send a SIGWINCH to 'screen'; mount proper filesystem
  at the new host after migration; reconnect a socket to a peer).
(3) Use interposition on selected library calls and add wrapper code
  that will glue in what's missing (e.g. dbus or nscd calls to
  reconnect an application to those services).

IMPORTANT: the glueing method is _orthogonal_ to how the c/r is done !
We are strictly discussion the core c/r functionality.

(next part: linux-cr philosophy...)

Thanks,

Oren.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-20 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]             ` <20101106204008.GA31077@sundance.ccs.neu.edu>
2010-11-07 21:44               ` [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:31                 ` Gene Cooperman
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2010-11-07 21:59                     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 11:57                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:39                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-11-17 15:46                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18  9:13                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                               ` <4CE4EE21.6050305-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18  9:48                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:13                                   ` Jose R. Santos
2010-11-19  3:54                                   ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-18 19:53                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-19  4:10                             ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-19 14:04                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-20 18:05                                 ` Oren Laadan [this message]
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2010-11-19 14:36                                   ` Kirill Korotaev
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2010-11-19 15:33                                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:00                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:01                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:10                                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:25                                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:06                                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:16                                             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:19                                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:27                                                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
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2010-11-19 16:32                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:38                                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:50                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:55                                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-20 17:58                                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:08                                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:11                                   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                                     ` <4CE69B8C.6050606-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-20 18:15                                       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 19:33                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-21  8:18                                           ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21  8:21                                             ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-22 18:02                                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-23 17:53                                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-24  3:50                                                 ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-25 16:04                                                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-29  4:09                                                     ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 22:41                                             ` Grant Likely
2010-11-22 17:34                                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-22 17:18                                           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 22:17                         ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]                           ` <20101117221713.GA27736-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 10:06                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:25                             ` Oren Laadan
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2010-11-08 18:14                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 18:37                           ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 19:34                             ` Oren Laadan

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