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From: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
To: aeriksson@fastmail.fm, Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	cpufreq@www.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: speedstep capability checks
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:01:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040316130114.GA13713@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040316073847.GA7597@dominikbrodowski.de>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 08:38:47AM +0100, Dominik Brodowski wrote:

 > So, Anders' CPU reports itself to be non-SpeedStep-capable. However,
 > SpeedStep runs fine on his CPU. We can't enable SpeedStep on all CPUs [even
 > of the same stepping (model/brand are the same anyway)] as we don't know if
 > all of them work fine if running SpeedStep on them -- or if it causes
 > (permanent) hardware failure! Some, who know it works from running a
 > different OS, and possibly a specific vendor-provided driver on their
 > notebook, might want to skip this test and try out their luck. But then they
 > know what they're doing, and that they're risking their own hardware.

We've already seen quite a few confused users who thought that throttling == speedstep.
This sounds like handing someone a gun and saying 'point it at your head,
pull the trigger, it might miss'.

 > A few SpeedStep-capable systems don't perform according to specification: the
 > CPUID and/or some MSRs don't tell us the CPU is SpeedStep capable even though
 > it definitely is.

Is there nothing in the errata documents about this ?

 > Allow a relaxed checking for one such issue by a module 
 > parameter only available if a config option is turned on. This is done to 
 > avoid the risk of doing invalid speedstep instructions on systems which do 
 > not support it, and which might even lead to (hardware) failure.

I'd merge this really as a last resort, and it's beginning to sound like
we don't really have any options (other than not support those broken boxes). Ugh.

		Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-16 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-14 15:20 speedstep capability checks aeriksson
2004-03-15 14:15 ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-03-08 11:15   ` add new p3m model Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-08 11:47     ` Bas Mevissen
2004-03-08 11:46       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-08 12:08         ` Bas Mevissen
2004-03-08 13:31     ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-14 14:34       ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-03-15 14:21         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-15 14:38           ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-03-15 14:45             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-15 15:46               ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-15 15:55                 ` Dave Jones
2004-03-15 14:20   ` speedstep capability checks Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-15 15:37     ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-15 19:25       ` aeriksson
2004-03-15 19:35         ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-15 19:44           ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-15 19:50         ` [updated patch] " Dominik Brodowski
2004-03-15 21:09   ` Dave Jones
2004-03-16  7:38     ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-03-16 13:01       ` Dave Jones [this message]
2004-03-16 15:01         ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-16 15:58           ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-03-16 16:00         ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-03-16 16:36           ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-18 19:57             ` aeriksson
2004-03-19 11:06               ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-15 18:36 ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-15 19:20   ` aeriksson
2004-03-15 19:36     ` Bruno Ducrot
2004-03-15 19:46     ` Dominik Brodowski

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