From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Taylor Blau <ttaylorr@openai.com>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
git@vger.kernel.org, "Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
"Derrick Stolee" <stolee@gmail.com>,
"SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>,
"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
"Phillip Wood" <phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 14:15:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ansSfYBPm6lZc7jB@pks.im> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <al6yCTDjBRn2HGq0@com-79390>
On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 06:40:57PM -0500, Taylor Blau wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 03:43:50PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> > I do not think we want to do this in a single large change. If we
> > were to move everything to 'lib/' only to then need to further group
> > them into subdirectories of 'lib/', it would subject us to multiple
> > rounds of disruption. I suspect it would be far less disruptive if
> > we migrated one subsystem at a time, directly to a new directory
> > immediately below the root level.
>
> I agree.
>
> Though it may seem *more* disruptive to do it piecemeal instead of all
> at once, I think it would be preferable to avoid having a single
> subsystem have to move multiple times.
>
> That said, I am not sure that I completely understand the motivation
> behind such a change to begin with. The second patch in this series
> claims that:
>
> - "The Git project is not exactly the easiest project to get started in
> [...]", because in part:
>
> - "[..] finding your way around in our project's tree is not easy.
> Doing a directory listing in the top-level directory will present you
> with more than 550 files, which makes it extremely hard for a
> newcomer to figure out what files they are even supposed to look at."
>
> I am not sure I understand how moving ~700 some odd files into "lib" makes
> the project easier to navigate. I understand the patch's latter point
> that:
I guess the motivation is still not clear enough then. My maint intent
isn't really to make individual files in "lib/" more discoverable.
Ultimately, I agree with you that they're not really becoming magically
more discoverable themselves, except...
> - "It is not obvious at all which files are part of "libgit.a" and
> which files are only linked into our final executables."
... that it's becoming clearer which files are part of libgit.a and
which are not. And that to me is already a benefit by itself.
But what I care about is to make everything else more discoverable. We
have a bunch of files and directories in our toplevel that are relevant
to developers, and especially newcomers will have a hard time to even
discover them when they're looking at 561 files.
> But don't see how this distinction will help newcomers who are likely
> not yet thinking about which files are part of libgit.a and which are
> not.
They're not. But they'll care about there being a README.md,
SECURITY.md, a conde of conduct, a license, installation instructions,
build systems, and the various subdirectories that we have. All of these
files are currently getting completely drowned out by the noise.
> My other thought is that I worry that "lib" might itself be somewhat
> misleading, given that many of the files being moved are not especially
> amenable in the current form to being linked against as external
> libraries.
Fair, but they still result in "libgit.a".
Thanks!
Patrick
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-11 12:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-16 13:24 [PATCH RFC 0/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-16 13:24 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] t/helper: prepare "test-example-tap.c" for introduction of "lib/" Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-16 13:24 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-17 17:08 ` Elijah Newren
2026-04-17 19:18 ` brian m. carlson
2026-04-17 21:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-04-17 21:51 ` brian m. carlson
2026-04-20 6:41 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-19 14:11 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] " Phillip Wood
2026-04-20 6:41 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-20 12:03 ` Derrick Stolee
2026-04-21 5:55 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-21 14:13 ` Derrick Stolee
2026-04-22 6:39 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 10:38 ` [PATCH RFC v2 " Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 10:38 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/2] t/helper: prepare "test-example-tap.c" for introduction of "lib/" Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 10:38 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 13:08 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-06-24 10:32 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-24 11:23 ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2026-06-26 16:01 ` Johannes Schindelin
2026-06-26 18:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-07-01 6:54 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-27 6:40 ` SZEDER Gábor
2026-07-01 6:55 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-01 13:26 ` Phillip Wood
2026-07-01 14:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-07-02 5:21 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-06 4:29 ` Kaartic Sivaraam
2026-07-01 6:59 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/2] " Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-01 6:59 ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/2] t/helper: prepare "test-example-tap.c" for introduction of "lib/" Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-01 6:59 ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-13 5:52 ` SZEDER Gábor
2026-07-20 14:24 ` Johannes Schindelin
2026-07-20 22:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-11 12:16 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-11 16:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-11 17:05 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-20 21:53 ` brian m. carlson
2026-07-20 22:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-07-20 23:40 ` Taylor Blau
2026-08-11 12:15 ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]
2026-07-13 5:50 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/2] " Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-13 5:50 ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/2] t/helper: prepare "test-example-tap.c" for introduction of "lib/" Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-13 5:50 ` [PATCH RFC v4 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
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