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From: Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar <mahesh-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Harald Hoyer <harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Initramfs Dracut
	<initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ananth Narayan <ananth-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Steven F Best <sbest-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Haren Myneni <hbabu-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Firmware assisted dump support in dracut
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:51:37 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50C03971.4050104@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50B73598.804-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On 11/29/2012 03:44 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote:
> Am 28.11.2012 17:12, schrieb Mahesh J Salgaonkar:
>> Hi Harald,
>>
>> Last year I worked on adding Firmware assisted dump (fadump) support in
>> PowerLinux (ppc64). This feature is now accepted upstream Linux kernel and the
>> documentation is available at http://lwn.net/Articles/488132/
>>
>> Like kdump, fadump also exports the memory dump through /proc/vmcore in ELF
>> format. This enables us to reuse the existing kdump infrastructure for dump
>> capture and filtering. However, unlike kdump, fadump does not use kexec-based
>> approach, instead it depends on Power firmware to preserve the memory dump and
>> reboot into new kernel. This is what happens in fadump after crash:
>>
>> 1. At the crash, kernel informs power firmware that kernel has crashed.
>> 2. Firmware takes the control and reboots the entire system preserving only the
>> memory (resets all other devices).
>> 3. The reboot follows the normal booting process (non-kexec).
>> 4. The boot loader loads the default kernel and initrd from /boot
>>
>> I am working on integrating fadump with existing kdump infrastructure. The
>> current kdump infrastructure builds a separate initrd (whenever there is a
>> change detected in kdump config file /etc/kdump.conf) which then gets loaded
>> into memory by kexec tool for use by kdump kernel. But, in the fadump approach,
>> the second kernel (after crash) always use the default (OS built) initramfs.
>> Hence, to support fadump, change is required to introduce dump capturing steps
>> in default initramfs itself. Hence the possible approaches I am looking into
>> are:
>>
>> 1. Rebuild the default initramfs every time when there is a change detected in
>> kdump config file (/etc/kdump.conf)
>>    This approach would modify existing initramfs in place. I did work on this
>>    approach by enhancing mkdumprd (tool from kexec-tools package) to extract
>>    and rebuild default initramfs with dump capturing steps.  After discussing
>>    with Vivek Goyal, he suggested that better approach to add code to dracut
>>    for rebuilding boot initramfs instead of enhancing mkdumprd.  This means
>>    introducing a new dracut module that will be responsible for introducing
>>    dump capture steps inside the rebuilt initramfs by pulling required modules
>>    e.g. ssh, nfs etc. depending on /etc/kdump.conf
>>
>>    Now the question is whether it is possible for dracut to rebuild boot
>>    initramfs in place? if Yes, is there any issues in rebuilding of boot
>>    initramfs everytime when there is a change in /etc/kdump.conf?
> 
> dracut is called by /sbin/new-kernel-package. dracut is not a service, which is
> run on every boot. So, no, dracut can't watch files and build an initramfs on
> itsself.
> 

Normally user would restart kdump service after changing kdump config
file. Idea is to invoke dracut through kdump service, as it already
watches and detect changes in kdump config files.

I was wondering if dracut allow us to insert/install additional dracut
modules to already existing initramfs? OR does it rebuild initramfs all
over again?

> Of course such a service could be created and create the initramfs on shutdown,
> if any of the files, which should be watched, have changed.
> 
> This of course is a dangerous automatism, which might as well lead to a
> unbootable system. Further steps (with grubby) would have to make sure, the last
> bootable entry is still there, along with the last kernel version.
> 
> I was already thinking about creating such a monster, but this would involve to
> reinvent the current /sbin/new-kernel-package / grubby infrastructure, which has
> to be done anyway in the next years. The first step was to create a common
> configuration file format for all the bootloaders, which they parse and display.
> 
> http://harald.fedorapeople.org/downloads/boot-unification.pdf
> A simple boot manager parsing the config layout as a reference implementation:
> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gummiboot
> 
> Next step is to patch grub2 to parse those config files and display the menu
> entries.

I think once such a infrastructure exists, things would be much easier.
Also, would it be possible to make such a infrastructure OS crash aware,
so that it can load different initramfs in crash scenario and default
initramfs in a normal boot process. I am not sure how practical this
idea would be to implement.

> 
> Next step is to enhance /sbin/new-kernel-package and obsolete grubby.
> 
> Then, I think we are ready to create such a service.
> 
>>
>> 2. Make dracut tool fadump aware and it will build fadump aware initrd (default
>> OS initrd) during kernel install. Once built, this initrd should never be
>> rebuilt again. Which means the default initramfs will contain vmcore capture
>> steps. This approach would pack all possible dracut modules (nfs, ssh, bonding
>> etc.) so that the default initrd will be capable of supporting all possible
>> dump target. Hence this approach will bloat the initramfs. On my Power test
>> system, the size of the default initrd generated without any changes is 16M.
>> With the above approach this size jumps to 27M.
> 
> Yeah, this is crazy.
> 
>>
>> Since both the above approaches would require changes to dracut package, I would
>> like to know your views on above approaches.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mahesh.
>>
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-12-06  6:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-28 16:12 Firmware assisted dump support in dracut Mahesh J Salgaonkar
     [not found] ` <20121128161234.GA8991-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-29 10:14   ` Harald Hoyer
     [not found]     ` <50B73598.804-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-30 15:31       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-12-06  6:21       ` Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar [this message]
     [not found]         ` <50C03971.4050104-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30  5:17           ` Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar
     [not found]             ` <51A6E0E4.1000502-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30  6:49               ` Harald Hoyer
     [not found]                 ` <51A6F663.5030804-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30 14:23                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20130530142318.GC2864-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-04  8:20                       ` Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar
     [not found]                         ` <51ADA343.2070100-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-04 13:57                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-06-04 14:14                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                             ` <20130604141403.GG4799-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-04 14:21                               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                 ` <20130604142123.GH4799-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-05 13:44                                   ` Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar
     [not found]                                     ` <51AF40BB.5010703-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-05 14:55                                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                         ` <20130605145504.GE16339-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-05 15:53                                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                             ` <20130605155316.GI16339-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  8:34                                               ` Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar
2013-06-04 15:19                               ` Michael Holzheu
2013-06-05  9:21                               ` Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar
2013-06-04  8:34                   ` Mahesh Jagannath Salgaonkar
     [not found]                     ` <51ADA6AB.5010503-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-04 18:42                       ` Andrey Borzenkov

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