From: Alyssa Rosenzweig <alyssa@collabora.com>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
Cc: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
Alyssa Rosenzweig <alyssa.rosenzweig@collabora.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 00/20] Initial Xe driver submission
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 09:41:31 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y7Q+m2m1rPV1HzBR@maud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230103145648.24947c06@collabora.com>
> > For one thing, setting that up would be a lot of up front infrastructure
> > work. I'm not sure how to even pull that off when Xe is still
> > out-of-tree and i915 development plunges on upstream as ever.
> >
> > For another, realistically, the overlap between supported platforms is
> > going to end at some point, and eventually new platforms are only going
> > to be supported with Xe. That's going to open up new possibilities for
> > refactoring also the display code. I think it would be premature to lock
> > in to a common directory structure or a common helper module at this
> > point.
> >
> > I'm not saying no to the idea, and we've contemplated it before, but I
> > think there are still too many moving parts to decide to go that way.
>
> FWIW, I actually have the same dilemma with the driver for new Mali GPUs
> I'm working on. I initially started making it a sub-driver of the
> existing panfrost driver (some HW blocks are similar, like the
> IOMMU and a few other things, and some SW abstracts can be shared here
> and there, like the GEM allocator logic). But I'm now considering
> forking the driver (after Alyssa planted the seed :-)), not only
> because I want to start from a clean sheet on the the uAPI front
> (wouldn't be an issue in your case, because you're talking about
> sharing helpers, not the driver frontend), but also because any refactor
> to panfrost is a potential source of regression for existing users. So,
> I tend to agree with Jani here, trying to share code before things have
> settled down is likely to cause pain to both Xe and i915
> users+developers.
++
I pretend to have never written a kernel driver, so will not comment
there. But Boris and I were previously bit trying to share code between
our GL and VK drivers, before VK settled down, causing pain for both. I
don't want a kernelside repeat of that (for either Mali or Intel).
I tend to think that, if you're tempted to share a driver frontend
without the backend, that's a sign that there's too much boilerplate for
the frontend and maybe there needs to be more helpers somewhere. For Xe,
that doesn't apply since the hw overlaps between the drivers, but for
Mali, there really is more different than similar and there's an
obvious, acute break between "old Mali" and "new Mali". The shared
"instantiate a DRM driver boilerplate" is pretty trivial, and the MMU
code is as simple as it gets...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-04 19:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-22 22:21 [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 00/20] Initial Xe driver submission Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 01/20] drm/suballoc: Introduce a generic suballocation manager Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 02/20] drm/amd: Convert amdgpu to use suballocation helper Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 03/20] drm/radeon: Use the drm suballocation manager implementation Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 04/20] drm/sched: Convert drm scheduler to use a work queue rather than kthread Matthew Brost
2022-12-23 17:42 ` Rob Clark
2022-12-28 22:21 ` Matthew Brost
2022-12-30 10:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2022-12-30 11:55 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-02 7:30 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-03 13:02 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-03 14:21 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-05 21:43 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-06 23:52 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-09 13:46 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-09 17:27 ` Jason Ekstrand
2023-01-10 11:28 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-10 12:19 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-10 15:55 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-10 16:50 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-10 19:01 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-11 9:17 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-11 18:07 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-11 18:52 ` John Harrison
2023-01-11 18:55 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-10 14:08 ` Jason Ekstrand
2023-01-11 8:50 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-11 19:40 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-12 18:43 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-11 22:18 ` Jason Ekstrand
2023-01-11 22:31 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-11 22:56 ` Jason Ekstrand
2023-01-13 0:39 ` John Harrison
2023-01-18 3:06 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-10 16:39 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-11 1:13 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-11 9:09 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-11 17:52 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-12 18:21 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-05 19:40 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-09 15:45 ` Jason Ekstrand
2023-01-09 17:17 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-09 20:40 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-01-10 8:46 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-11 21:47 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-01-12 9:10 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-12 9:32 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-01-12 10:11 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-12 10:25 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-12 10:42 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-01-12 12:08 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-12 15:38 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-01-12 16:48 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-12 10:30 ` Boris Brezillon
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 05/20] drm/sched: Add generic scheduler message interface Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 06/20] drm/sched: Start run wq before TDR in drm_sched_start Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 07/20] drm/sched: Submit job before starting TDR Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 08/20] drm/sched: Add helper to set TDR timeout Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 09/20] drm: Add a gpu page-table walker helper Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 10/20] drm/ttm: Don't print error message if eviction was interrupted Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 11/20] drm/i915: Remove gem and overlay frontbuffer tracking Matthew Brost
2022-12-23 11:13 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 12/20] drm/i915/display: Neuter frontbuffer tracking harder Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 13/20] drm/i915/display: Add more macros to remove all direct calls to uncore Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 14/20] drm/i915/display: Remove all uncore mmio accesses in favor of intel_de Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 15/20] drm/i915: Rename find_section to find_bdb_section Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 16/20] drm/i915/regs: Set DISPLAY_MMIO_BASE to 0 for xe Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 17/20] drm/i915/display: Fix a use-after-free when intel_edp_init_connector fails Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 18/20] drm/i915/display: Remaining changes to make xe compile Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 19/20] sound/hda: Allow XE as i915 replacement for sound Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:21 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 20/20] mei/hdcp: Also enable for XE Matthew Brost
2022-12-22 22:41 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for Initial Xe driver submission Patchwork
2023-01-02 8:14 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 00/20] " Thomas Zimmermann
2023-01-02 11:42 ` Jani Nikula
2023-01-03 13:56 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-03 14:41 ` Alyssa Rosenzweig [this message]
2023-01-03 12:21 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-01-05 21:27 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-12 9:54 ` Lucas De Marchi
2023-01-12 17:10 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-17 16:40 ` Jason Ekstrand
2023-01-10 12:33 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-17 16:12 ` Jason Ekstrand
2023-02-17 20:51 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-02-27 12:46 ` Oded Gabbay
2023-03-01 23:00 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2023-03-09 15:10 ` Daniel Vetter
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