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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	 ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2026 08:26:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anl7CgkKb6tORavG@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM=9tx7izyUJr_XVQju26fevzepZ-L6vs5vgH2aib9jPPjvRA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 08:10:21AM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
...
> I think people really have a misconception about what goes on at the
> maintainer summit, the best explanation I've been given was that it is
> Linus's staff meeting. The people that Linus works with closest, get
> invited to talk to Linus and help him figure out where the overall
> ship is going and where things are going wrong.
...
> Your language choice already makes it feel like you see it as some
> elite or special group. It's a bunch of technical project managers
> talking about the processes of producing the kernel. If a talk about
> the technical content of the kernel sneaks in it's very rare and also
> usually not of interest to half the room.
...
>
> > I mean I don't know, maybe it's necessary to run it as a tight ship of
> > trusted people, but I think we should at least be more clear about that.

I mean this is kinda my point.

It is being advertised as X but is actually Y. So say it's Y.

That's not what Ted's posts or the write ups or generally any comms about the MS
say it is.

The CFP-ish bit is probably pretty redundant too on this basis?

> >
> > However I wonder whether we should look at an alternative approach like
> > those with M: entries in MAINTAINERS voting on topics, or something
> > similar.
>
> Voting on what though, I'm already over the number of times
> maintainers with small potato problems think that the lives of
> maintainers with big potato problems would be much simpler if they
> just adopted their niche one-person mutt based review process.

Ah good to know core mm is small potatoes ;)

>
> Dave.

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-10  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-06 15:34 [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? James Bottomley
2026-08-06 23:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 13:53   ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-08-07 14:53     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 16:33     ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 17:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-07 19:03     ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 19:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 20:12       ` Shuah Khan
2026-08-09  1:51     ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-09 18:47       ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-09 19:04       ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-08-09 21:09         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10  8:14           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 13:20             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 20:35               ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10 21:05                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-11  0:14                 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 13:09                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-18 14:02                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 14:21                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 15:32                         ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-18 17:46                           ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 18:18                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:51                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:52                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 16:45                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 17:00                       ` James Bottomley
2026-08-18 17:25                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 21:56         ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10  1:26           ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10  2:40             ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10  8:08             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 14:56               ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 15:49                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 18:39     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 18:42       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 22:10       ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-10  7:26         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-08-10 13:11           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 13:32             ` James Bottomley
2026-08-10 14:24               ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 15:23                 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 15:52                   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-11  3:24                     ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-11  5:29                       ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-11  6:53                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 13:29                       ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 22:47                   ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11  3:29                   ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-11  7:12                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11  8:16                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 19:54                       ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-08-11 23:10                         ` Mark Brown
2026-08-12 20:33                           ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-13 11:48                             ` Mark Brown
2026-08-18  9:38                               ` Jani Nikula
2026-08-18 16:50                                 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-19  8:28                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2026-08-19 16:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-11 14:26                     ` Mark Brown
2026-08-12  6:00                     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-12  6:20                       ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-12  7:07                         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-12  7:41                         ` Greg KH
2026-08-12  8:05                           ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-12 12:48                             ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 21:30           ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-10 21:45             ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-11  8:22               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11  8:19             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11  9:06               ` Jiri Kosina
2026-08-11  9:34                 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-11 13:47                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10  7:42         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-10 15:07           ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-07 12:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-08-07 13:09   ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 13:28     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-08-07 20:15     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-08-07 19:15 ` Chris Mason
2026-08-07 19:53   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 23:19 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 13:54   ` James Bottomley
2026-08-10 14:41     ` Steven Rostedt

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