From: Tony Lindgren <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>
To: Kishen Maloor <kishen.maloor@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_CAP_LIVE_MIGRATION and KVM_MIGRATE_CMD
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 08:25:32 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <arIRTIm4Q9ElodIX@tlindgre-MOBL1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da65fe89-e7cf-461b-88bc-4f40f81a6ec1@intel.com>
On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 08:57:45PM -0700, Kishen Maloor wrote:
> On 9/20/26 11:52 PM, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > Then for KVM tracking the role, I don't think we need it with the two
> > above. The role tracking can always be added if really needed. Any other
> > opinions on this one?
>
> I do think it's useful for generic KVM to track this role (1 byte).
> - It lets _TRANSFER_ style calls dispatch directly to import or export
> callbacks based on the role.
> - Even if we don't adopt the _TRANSFER_ style, it enables generic KVM to
> reject mismatched calls, e.g., KVM_EXPORT_MEMORY on a destination.
Having KVM do generic checks on the calls is a good idea. There might be
a simpler way of handling it though. Rather than having KVM track the
migration state, how about we add a function to check for the migration
session state from the vendor code?
So something like this for the states you suggested earlier:
enum kvm_lmstate {
KVM_LM_NONE,
KVM_LM_SOURCE,
KVM_LM_DESTINATION,
};
With something like this to get the state from the vendor code:
enum kmv_lmstate kvm_arch_get_lmstate(struct kvm *);
For x86 it would end up calling kvm_x86_call(get_lmstate)(kvm) and for
the TDX specific case tdx_get_lmstate().
It would allow KVM to do the generic checks for the migration related
calls you're describing. And having KVM start tracking the state can be
still added later on too if it is needed.
> > The transfer direction is there with the EXPORT/IMPORT naming. Maybe
> > just let's keep that naming for easier readability rather than try to
> > switch to TRANSFER style naming. No transfer direction flag needed.
>
> I can't say I have a clear preference between EXPORT/IMPORT vs _TRANSFER_.
> If we keep the EXPORT/IMPORT naming, then consistency would arguably call for
> splitting MIGRATE_CMD too, which makes it 6 vs 3 (or 5 vs 3 against the RFC
> as posted):
>
> EXPORT/IMPORT style _TRANSFER_ style
> KVM_EXPORT_CMD KVM_MIGRATE_CMD
> KVM_IMPORT_CMD
> KVM_EXPORT_MEMORY KVM_TRANSFER_MEMORY
> KVM_IMPORT_MEMORY
> KVM_EXPORT_VCPU KVM_TRANSFER_VCPU
> KVM_IMPORT_VCPU
Agreed we should split the MIGRATE_CMD too. Probably the number of ioctls
is not and issue compared to following the KVM style and better
readability. So my vote is now on EXPORT/IMPORT style naming.
> I guess the main benefit of the _TRANSFER_ style is reduced duplication.
> Each EXPORT/IMPORT pair takes the same struct and differs only by the role
> that the session already knows. Merging them gives one entry point per call
> type and lets userspace drive both ends from the same call site which could
> be considered a win. It doesn't reduce kernel code though as the top-level
> handler still branches internally on the role.
Yup not much of a win for the TRANSFER style naming.
Trying to summarize again after we sorted out the direction flag issue in
the transfer:
role per migration session (cannot change during the migration)
direction per command, EXPORT/IMPORT
hardware state set and tracked by vendor specific code
And checking again against the dmaengine analogy:
Compared to dmaengine, the migration role is modeled similar to the dma
channel configuration.
The migration direction with EXPORT/IMPORT is modeled similar to
dmaengine_prep_slave_sg().
The migration hardware state is modeled similar to the dmaengine driver
managing the hardware state.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-22 5:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-31 7:13 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] Documentation: KVM: Add live migration API for confidential guests Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:20 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-18 11:35 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-21 4:20 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24 1:50 ` Wei Wang
2026-09-24 4:51 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_CAP_LIVE_MIGRATION and KVM_MIGRATE_CMD Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 6:03 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-07 11:53 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-07 13:15 ` Jörg Rödel
2026-09-07 13:32 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-08 4:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-08 4:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-09 0:22 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-09 6:57 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-10 1:11 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-10 6:33 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-11 1:40 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-11 4:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-15 0:14 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-15 4:44 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-15 15:53 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-16 5:09 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-17 3:31 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-17 6:42 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18 4:32 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-18 5:58 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 0:13 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-21 6:52 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 9:24 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 10:58 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 3:57 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-22 5:25 ` Tony Lindgren [this message]
2026-09-23 0:38 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23 6:04 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24 5:53 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-24 6:59 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18 4:33 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-21 5:58 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 6:56 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 3:56 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-22 6:27 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-23 0:37 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23 6:50 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24 5:34 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-24 7:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-10-08 9:22 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_EXPORT_MEMORY and KVM_IMPORT_MEMORY Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 6:10 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_EXPORT_VCPU and KVM_IMPORT_VCPU Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 6:12 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-04 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-17 21:27 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-18 12:46 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-18 15:53 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-22 8:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-22 9:42 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 11:54 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-23 4:20 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 21:18 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-23 12:05 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-24 21:19 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-28 14:15 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-29 21:05 ` Peter Xu
2026-10-02 19:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-10-07 20:00 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-23 15:28 ` Serge Hallyn (AMD)
2026-09-20 23:56 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23 21:36 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-24 4:27 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-25 14:18 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-29 1:28 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-30 20:42 ` Peter Xu
2026-10-07 4:27 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-10-07 20:13 ` Peter Xu
2026-10-08 6:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18 18:36 ` Ionut Mihalcea
2026-09-21 4:35 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-25 16:03 ` Serge Hallyn (AMD)
2026-09-28 3:24 ` Kishen Maloor
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