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From: Tony Lindgren <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>
To: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
Cc: "Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Sean Christopherson" <seanjc@google.com>,
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	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 07:20:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arNTd7L2IrqSND-C@tlindgre-MOBL1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d36468632f54e15c9107169af03b436f22e0a90f.camel@gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 02:54:29PM +0300, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-09-22 at 12:42 +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > 
> > > Anyway, if I can get the TDX module to allow dirty tracking independent of
> > > migration, we could pick either mechanism, or even implement both and add a
> > > TDX-specific ioctl to select which one to use. We could plug either method
> > > into the KVM_DIRTY_LOG ioctl - both would work, just differently.
> > 
> > Note that for TDX write-blocking is an older approach. The non-blocking
> > SEAMCALLs were added because of the issues noticed. Both features are not
> > usable the same time.
> 
> But let me clarify one point: write-blocking (the WP-based mechanism) isn't
> broken - it works fine. For fairness:
> 
> - MMU-intrusiveness - valid argument.
> - It is "older" - not on its own a strong argument. Older does not
>   automatically make it categorically worse.

Correct. And I'm of course a bit biased on the write-blocking migration
after tinkering with it some so please excuse me.

For reference, there are earlier WIP patches from 2023 for TDX using the
write-blocking at [0] and [1] below. While the write-blocking itself seems
fairly straight forward, it's interaction with live migration is complicated
to unblock pages.

You may want to add a VM exit and TDX module unblock for each 4K page to the
list for the TDX write-blocking migration.
 
> Side note: although I always try to remember that if there is a real need,
> we can work with the TDX module architects on the  ABI to reduce that
> intrusiveness. I do not see the need yet, though.
> 
> > If non-blocking is enabled for a TDX module write-blocking cannot be used.
> > Also note that the dirty log scan features depend on non-blocking features
> > being enabled.
> 
> To make it more pronounced: Tony says the blocking vs. non-blocking TDX
> export mode is:
> 
> - Global for all TDs, not a per-TD choice.
> - Decided at TDX module initialization time, and cannot be changed without
>   re-initializing or updating the module. So in practice, it's a kernel
>   init time decision.
> 
> So my suggestion that both could be implemented and selected via a uAPI is
> moot in practice.

Yup. If somebody really needs it, selecting write-blocking migration could
be a module param.

[0] https://github.com/intel-staging/tdx/commit/d6c63ebf463297a076984fe248aabeba0fa58864
[1] https://github.com/intel-staging/tdx/commit/782649ab74c1b3f05df7e38d5fc8e3f907a9394e

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-23  4:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-31  7:13 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] Documentation: KVM: Add live migration API for confidential guests Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-18 11:35   ` Peter Xu
2026-09-21  4:20     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24  1:50     ` Wei Wang
2026-09-24  4:51       ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_CAP_LIVE_MIGRATION and KVM_MIGRATE_CMD Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01  6:03     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-07 11:53   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-07 13:15     ` Jörg Rödel
2026-09-07 13:32       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-08  4:15         ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-08  4:43         ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-09  0:22           ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-09  6:57             ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-10  1:11               ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-10  6:33                 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-11  1:40                   ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-11  4:23                     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-15  0:14                       ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-15  4:44                         ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-15 15:53                           ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-16  5:09                             ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-17  3:31                               ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-17  6:42                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18  4:32                                   ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-18  5:58                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21  0:13                                       ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-21  6:52                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21  9:24                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 10:58                                             ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22  3:57                                           ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-22  5:25                                             ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-23  0:38                                               ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23  6:04                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24  5:53                                                   ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-24  6:59                                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18  4:33   ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-21  5:58     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21  6:56       ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22  3:56         ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-22  6:27           ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-23  0:37             ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23  6:50               ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24  5:34                 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-24  7:15                   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-10-08  9:22                     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_EXPORT_MEMORY and KVM_IMPORT_MEMORY Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01  6:10     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_EXPORT_VCPU and KVM_IMPORT_VCPU Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31  7:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01  6:12     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-04 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-17 21:27   ` Peter Xu
2026-09-18 12:46     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-18 15:53       ` Peter Xu
2026-09-22  8:09         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-22  9:42           ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 11:54             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-23  4:20               ` Tony Lindgren [this message]
2026-09-22 21:18           ` Peter Xu
2026-09-23 12:05             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-24 21:19               ` Peter Xu
2026-09-28 14:15                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-29 21:05                   ` Peter Xu
2026-10-02 19:57                     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-10-07 20:00                       ` Peter Xu
2026-09-23 15:28           ` Serge Hallyn (AMD)
2026-09-20 23:56     ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23 21:36       ` Peter Xu
2026-09-24  4:27         ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-25 14:18           ` Peter Xu
2026-09-29  1:28             ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-30 20:42               ` Peter Xu
2026-10-07  4:27                 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-10-07 20:13                   ` Peter Xu
2026-10-08  6:23                     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-10-08 14:31                       ` Peter Xu
2026-09-18 18:36 ` Ionut Mihalcea
2026-09-21  4:35   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-25 16:03 ` Serge Hallyn (AMD)
2026-09-28  3:24   ` Kishen Maloor

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