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From: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Cc: Okamoto Takayuki <tokamoto@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@kernel.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/16] arm64/sve: Determine virtualisation-friendly vector lengths
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:20:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c37dbbd8-8ed5-3114-ba9d-248baa59a659@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1529593060-542-7-git-send-email-Dave.Martin@arm.com>

Hi Dave,

On 21/06/18 15:57, Dave Martin wrote:
> Software at EL1 is permitted to assume that when programming
> ZCR_EL1.LEN, the effective vector length is nonetheless a vector
> length supported by the CPU.  Thus, software may rely on the
> effective vector length being different from that programmed via
> ZCR_EL1.LEN in some situations.
> 
> However, KVM does not tightly bind vcpus to individual underlying
> physical CPUs.  As a result, vcpus can migrate from one CPU to
> another.  This means that in order to preserve the guarantee
> described in the previous paragraph, the set of supported vector
> lengths must appear to be the same for the vcpu at all times,
> irrespective of which physical CPU the vcpu is currently running
> on.
> 
> The Arm SVE architecture allows the maximum vector length visible
> to EL1 to be restricted by programming ZCR_EL2.LEN.  This provides
> a means to hide from guests any vector lengths that are not
> supported by every physical CPU in the system.  However, there is
> no way to hide a particular vector length while some greater vector
> length is exposed to EL1.
> 
> This patch determines the maximum vector length
> (sve_max_virtualisable_vl) for which the set of supported vector
> lengths not exceeding it is identical for all CPUs.  When KVM is
> available, the set of vector lengths supported by each late
> secondary CPU is verified to be consistent with those of the early
> CPUs, in order to ensure that the value chosen for
> sve_max_virtualisable_vl remains globally valid, and ensure that
> all created vcpus continue to behave correctly.
> 
> sve_secondary_vq_map is used as scratch space for these
> computations, rendering its name misleading.  This patch renames
> this bitmap to sve_tmp_vq_map in order to make its purpose clearer.

I'm slightly put off by this patch.

While it does a great job making sure we're always in a situation where
we can offer SVE to a guest, no matter how utterly broken the system is,
I wonder if there is a real value in jumping through all these hoops the
first place.

It is (sort of) reasonable to support a system that has different max
VLs (big-little) and cap it at the minimum of the max VLs (just like we
do for userspace). But I don't think it is reasonable to consider
systems that have different supported VLs in that range, and I don't
think any system exhibit that behaviour.

To put it another way, if a "small" CPU's supported VLs are not a strict
prefix of the "big" ones', we just disable SVE support in KVM. I'd be
tempted to do the same thing for userspace too, but that's a separate
discussion.

Can we turn this patch into one that checks the above condition instead
of trying to cope with an unacceptable level of braindeadness?

Thanks,

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-06 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-21 14:57 [RFC PATCH 00/16] KVM: arm64: Initial support for SVE guests Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] arm64: fpsimd: Always set TIF_FOREIGN_FPSTATE on task state flush Dave Martin
2018-07-06  9:07   ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] KVM: arm64: Delete orphaned declaration for __fpsimd_enabled() Dave Martin
2018-07-06  9:08   ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] KVM: arm64: Refactor kvm_arm_num_regs() for easier maintenance Dave Martin
2018-07-06  9:20   ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] KVM: arm64: Add missing #include of <linux/bitmap.h> to kvm_host.h Dave Martin
2018-07-06  9:21   ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] KVM: arm: Add arch init/uninit hooks Dave Martin
2018-07-06 10:02   ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-09 15:15     ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] arm64/sve: Determine virtualisation-friendly vector lengths Dave Martin
2018-07-06 13:20   ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] arm64/sve: Enable SVE state tracking for non-task contexts Dave Martin
2018-07-25 13:58   ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-25 14:39     ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] KVM: arm64: Support dynamically hideable system registers Dave Martin
2018-07-25 14:12   ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-25 14:36     ` Dave Martin
2018-07-25 15:41       ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-26 12:53         ` Dave Martin
2018-08-07 19:20   ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-08  8:33     ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] KVM: arm64: Allow ID registers to by dynamically read-as-zero Dave Martin
2018-07-25 15:46   ` Alex Bennée
2018-08-06 13:03   ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-07 11:09     ` Dave Martin
2018-08-07 19:35       ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-08  9:11         ` Dave Martin
2018-08-08  9:58           ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-08 14:03           ` Peter Maydell
2018-08-09 10:19             ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] KVM: arm64: Add a vcpu flag to control SVE visibility for the guest Dave Martin
2018-07-19 11:08   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 11:41     ` Dave Martin
2018-07-25 13:43       ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 14:41         ` Dave Martin
2018-07-19 15:02   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 11:48     ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] KVM: arm64/sve: System register context switch and access support Dave Martin
2018-07-19 11:11   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 11:45     ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] KVM: arm64/sve: Context switch the SVE registers Dave Martin
2018-07-19 13:13   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 11:50     ` Dave Martin
2018-07-25 13:57       ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 14:12         ` Dave Martin
2018-08-06 13:19   ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-07 11:15     ` Dave Martin
2018-08-07 19:43       ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-08  8:23         ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] KVM: Allow 2048-bit register access via KVM_{GET, SET}_ONE_REG Dave Martin
2018-07-25 15:58   ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-26 12:58     ` Dave Martin
2018-07-26 13:55       ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-27  9:26         ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] KVM: arm64/sve: Add SVE support to register access ioctl interface Dave Martin
2018-07-19 13:04   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 14:06     ` Dave Martin
2018-07-25 17:20       ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-26 13:10         ` Dave Martin
2018-08-03 14:57     ` Dave Martin
2018-08-03 15:11       ` Andrew Jones
2018-08-03 15:38         ` Dave Martin
2018-08-06 13:25   ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-07 11:17     ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] KVM: arm64: Enumerate SVE register indices for KVM_GET_REG_LIST Dave Martin
2018-07-19 14:12   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 14:50     ` Dave Martin
2018-06-21 14:57 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] KVM: arm64/sve: Report and enable SVE API extensions for userspace Dave Martin
2018-07-19 14:59   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-25 15:27     ` Dave Martin
2018-07-25 16:52       ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-26 13:18         ` Dave Martin
2018-08-06 13:41           ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-07 11:23             ` Dave Martin
2018-08-07 20:08               ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-08  8:30                 ` Dave Martin
2018-07-19 15:24   ` Andrew Jones
2018-07-26 13:23     ` Dave Martin
2018-07-06  8:22 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] KVM: arm64: Initial support for SVE guests Alex Bennée
2018-07-06  9:05   ` Dave Martin
2018-07-06  9:20     ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-06  9:23       ` Peter Maydell
2018-07-06 10:11         ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-06 10:14           ` Peter Maydell
2018-08-06 13:05 ` Christoffer Dall
2018-08-07 11:18   ` Dave Martin

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