Problem with sending to the ELKS list :( (fwd)

Problem with sending to the ELKS list :( (fwd)

[jb1]

IS YOUR SPAM FILTER CRAZY??? I HAD A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE MESSAGE REFUSED
AS SPAM AND YOU APPARENTLY BANNED ONE OF YOUR OWN DEVELOPERS, YET AT LEAST
TWO REAL SPAMS (MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE LAST) WERE ACCEPTED IN THE LAST TWO 
MONTHS!!!

IF YOU'RE ARBITRARILY REJECTING ANYTHING WITH THE LETTERS "AICH TEE TEE 
PEE", FIX IT SO WE CAN WORK ON THE ELKSWEB PACKAGE ... AND UN-BAN HARRY 
NOW!

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Date: 19 Oct 2002 17:31:15 +0300
From: Harry Kalogirou <harkal@gmx.net>
To: jb1@btstream.com
Subject: Problem with sending to the ELKS list :(

Hi, can you please forward my e-mails to the list since I seem to be
baned for some reason!

Thanks,

Harry

Re: Problem with sending to the ELKS list :( (fwd)

[Paul Nasrat]

On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 03:10:56AM -0700, jb1@btstream.com wrote:
> 
> IS YOUR SPAM FILTER CRAZY??? I HAD A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE MESSAGE REFUSED

Umm, no need to shout.

AFAIK vger doesn't have any spam filtering.

Have just run mxverify on harkal@gmx.net and that seems ok - although it
may be an ECN issue.

I know vger will drop people if the mailserver is down.

http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3-14

I'd recommend Harry resubscribe.  It's happened to me before when my
mail servers were upgraded and fscked for a bit.

HTH

Paul

Re: Problem with sending to the ELKS list :( (fwd)

[Harry Kalogirou]

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Την Κυρ, 20-10-2002 στις 13:43, ο/η Paul Nasrat έγραψε:
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 03:10:56AM -0700, jb1@btstream.com wrote:
> > 
> > IS YOUR SPAM FILTER CRAZY??? I HAD A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE MESSAGE REFUSED
> 
> Umm, no need to shout.
> 
> AFAIK vger doesn't have any spam filtering.
> 
> Have just run mxverify on harkal@gmx.net and that seems ok - although it
> may be an ECN issue.
> 
> I know vger will drop people if the mailserver is down.
> 
> http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3-14
> 
> I'd recommend Harry resubscribe.  It's happened to me before when my
> mail servers were upgraded and fscked for a bit.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Paul
>

I'm not droped since I receive mails from the list normaly. I just think
that vger is tring a "new" spam filter. I got an e-mail from the mailman
saying not to send mails with Chinese in order not to get cut at the
SPAM filter!!!!!.

1) Do I send Chinese at the list? Cause if I do, I should write it down
to my resume!
2) What is the logic in cutting off Chinese? Chinese==SPAM? Interesting!

Anyway I'll see what I can do! 

Harry


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Re: Problem with sending to the ELKS list :( (fwd)

[Paul Nasrat]

On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 04:21:04PM +0300, Harry Kalogirou wrote:
 
> I'm not droped since I receive mails from the list normaly. I just think
> that vger is tring a "new" spam filter. I got an e-mail from the mailman

Ah.

> 1) Do I send Chinese at the list? Cause if I do, I should write it down
Ah it'll be your default reply string which is in greek:

Ten Tri <date> stis, ... egrapsie

If my greek transliteration is correct.  Try sending a reply with out
the greek characters in.

It must be recognising you're using unicode/higher ascii/whatever and
has a check for this which it assumes is an asian character set.

> 
> to my resume!

> 2) What is the logic in cutting off Chinese? Chinese==SPAM? Interesting!

All the vger lists are english language discussions.

Paul

Re: Problem with sending to the ELKS list :( (fwd)

[jb1]

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On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Paul Nasrat wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 03:10:56AM -0700, jb1@btstream.com wrote:
> > 
> > IS YOUR SPAM FILTER CRAZY??? I HAD A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE MESSAGE REFUSED
> 
> Umm, no need to shout.

Evidently, there was! I had a message erroneously rejected as spam and
sent a query about it (the text attachment) on October 1, along with a
zipped copy of the notice, itself (the attached zip file). I have no idea
who maintains this site (is it you?), but something indicated that
questions like these should be addressed to
"Majordomo-Owner@vger.kernel.org", so that's what I did. I never got a
response. I've been corresponding with Harry and didn't notice that his
end wasn't appearing in the mailing list, nor did anyone else ask why I
was replying to apparently-phantom messages. or, for that matter, why
Harry seemed to be suddenly silent. Harry, of course, had no way of
notifying the mailing list of his problem because all of his messages were
being refused as spam. It looks like my shouting (at least indirectly) got
Harry back on the mailing list, and we'll all benefit from that.

> AFAIK vger doesn't have any spam filtering.

There's one *somewhere*; see my attachments and Harry's message about his 
Greek character set.

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From jb1@olympus.btstream.com Mon Oct 21 01:31:46 2002
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:05:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: jb1@olympus.btstream.com
To: Majordomo-Owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Why was this rejected?

Attached is FailureNotice.zip, which contains a message I received from my
mailer daemon. It indicates that you rejected the message because it was
(incorrectly) thought to be SPAM or an Outlook virus. In case you can't
(or won't) check the attachments, one is plain text and the other contains
raw binary packets from a tcp dump. Although the body and the
octet-stream-attachment contain the letters "aich-tee-tee-pee" (I don't 
dare type them literally), neither is an actual web page. If you don't 
believe me, ask Harry Kalogirou <harkal@gmx.net>.

What, exactly, triggered your filter, and what can I do about it?

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