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From: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	arekm@maven.pl, feng.tang@intel.com, flinco@libero.it,
	mad_soft@inbox.ru, rjw@sisk.pl
Subject: Re: [patch 7/7] acpi: remove old blacklist entries
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:24:58 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1002171122140.4135@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100217143245.GA18411@srcf.ucam.org>

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:49:03PM -0500, Len Brown wrote:
> 
> > In the future, I'll consider deleting the "acpi=ht"
> > option all together, and the blacklist with it,
> > but such changes are always harder than expected.
> 
> We seem to have no good history of where these blacklist entries came 
> from, and we know that at least one of them is actively harmful. Perhaps 
> replace them with a debug statement on affected machines telling people 
> what they need to pass to restore the blacklist behaviour, and to let us 
> know if it's necessary?

Actually, it wasn't actively harmful until we broke "acpi=ht".
Indeed, it was actively helpful in pointing out that regression:-)

Yes, I think that a warning for a release or so before deleting
some of these entries would make sense -- good idea.

Re: history...
unfortunately old-2.6-bkcvs history is nearly useless,
but bkbits still seems to work.

It shows I pulled this DMI list from Linux-2.4 to Linux-2.6
on 2003-08-09, and that it originally came from Suse:

"pull DMI blacklist from UnitedLinux via 2.4 for disabling ACPI on bad 
BIOS boxes.  This also sets ACPI_BLACKLIST_CUTOFF_YEAR = 2001"

http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.6.11-stable/arch/i386/kernel/dmi_scan.c?PAGE=diffs&REV=3f35b565a8XFxBnmR2yf-97PQRqW3Q

I think that move was a short term good idea,
but a long term bad idea.

It looks like we have added no forc_acpi_ht entries since 2003,
but we have deleted a bunch of them.  So it may indeed be time
for the force_acpi_ht, and perhaps the "acpi=ht" option to go.

The other entries in today's acpi_dmi_table[] are less clear
and should probably be modified only with some care...

I'll spin a patch for the acpi=ht part.

thanks,
-Len Brown, Intel Open Source Technology Center



  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-17 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-02 22:37 [patch 7/7] acpi: remove old blacklist entries akpm
2010-02-03 23:04 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-16  7:53 ` Len Brown
2010-02-16  8:19   ` Len Brown
2010-02-16 15:40     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-17  2:49       ` Len Brown
2010-02-17 14:32         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-17 18:24           ` Len Brown [this message]
2010-02-17 18:31             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-17 19:43               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-17 21:23               ` Len Brown
2010-02-17 21:28                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-19  5:44                   ` Len Brown
2010-02-19  5:53                     ` [PATCH 1/2] ACPI: remove "acpi=ht" DMI blacklist Len Brown
2010-02-19  5:55                     ` [patch 2/2] ACPI: delete the "acpi=ht" boot option Len Brown
2010-02-23 11:11 ` [patch 7/7] acpi: remove old blacklist entries Thomas Renninger
2010-03-14 20:35   ` Len Brown

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