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From: mark.rutland@arm.com (Mark Rutland)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 17:23:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150910162302.GN29293@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1509101655020.2672@kaball.uk.xensource.com>

> > C) When you could go:
> > 
> >    DT -> Discover Xen -> Xen-specific stuff -> Xen-specific EFI/ACPI discovery
> 
> I take you mean discovering Xen with the usual Xen hypervisor node on
> device tree. I think that C) is a good option actually. I like it. Not
> sure why we didn't think about this earlier. Is there anything EFI or
> ACPI which is needed before Xen support is discovered by
> arch/arm64/kernel/setup.c:setup_arch -> xen_early_init()?

Currently lots (including the memory map). With the stuff to support
SPCR, the ACPI discovery would be moved before xen_early_init().

> If not, we could just go for this. A lot of complexity would go away.

I suspect this would still be fairly complex, but would at least prevent
the Xen-specific EFI handling from adversely affecting the native case.

> > D) If you want to be generic:
> >    EFI -> EFI application -> EFI tables -> ACPI tables -> Xen-specific stuff
> >           \------------------------------------------/
> > 	   (virtualize these, provide shims to Dom0, but handle
> > 	    everything in Xen itself)
> 
> I think that this is good in theory but could turn out to be a lot of
> work in practice. We could probably virtualize the RuntimeServices but
> the BootServices are troublesome.

What's troublesome with the boot services?

What can't be simulated?

> > E) Partially-generic option:
> >    EFI -> EFI application -> Xen detected by registered GUID -> Xen-specific EFI bootloader stuff -> OS in Xen-specific configuration
> > 
> > 
> > > > > In any case this should be separate from the shim ABI discussion.
> > > > 
> > > > I disagree; I think this is very much relevant to the ABI discussion.
> > > > That's not to say that I insist on a particular approach, but I think
> > > > that they need to be considered together.
> > > 
> > > Let's suppose Xen didn't expose any RuntimeServices at all, would that
> > > make it easier to discuss about the EFI stub parameters?
> > 
> > It would simply the protocol specific to Xen, certainly.
> > 
> > > In the grant scheme of things, they are not that important, as Ian
> > > wrote what is important is how to pass the RSDP.
> > 
> > Unfortunately we're still going to have to care about this eventually,
> > even if for something like kexec. So we still need to spec out the state
> > of things if this is going to be truly generic.
>  
> Fair enough. My position is that if we restrict this to RuntimeServices,
> it might be possible, but I still prefer C).

Regardless of what we do we still need a well-defined state here, which
brings us back to the initial problem eventually.

Thanks,
Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-10 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-10  8:41 [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters Shannon Zhao
2015-09-10  9:52 ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 10:19   ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 11:24     ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 11:37       ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 12:15         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 12:58           ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:08             ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-10 13:30               ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:52           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 14:13             ` Leif Lindholm
2015-09-10 14:49             ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 16:10               ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 16:23                 ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2015-09-11 12:46                   ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-11 13:14                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-11 13:30                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-11 15:45                         ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  8:42                           ` Shannon Zhao
2015-09-14  9:09                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14  9:31                               ` Shannon Zhao
2015-09-14  9:36                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 10:39                                   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2015-09-14 11:16                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 11:34                                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-11 16:33                         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-11 16:25                     ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-12 11:36                       ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:25                         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-14  9:43                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14  9:57                             ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-14 10:02                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 10:25                                 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-14 12:28                             ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14 13:09                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 13:57                                 ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:47                           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-14 12:19                           ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-11 11:00                 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 12:55         ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-10 14:53           ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 15:06             ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-11 16:36               ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 11:32 ` Andrew Turner
2015-09-10 11:48   ` Julien Grall
2015-09-10 12:05     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-10 12:53       ` [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall
2015-09-17 11:43 ` Shannon Zhao

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