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From: mark.rutland@arm.com (Mark Rutland)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 17:36:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150911163605.GC8726@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55F1B89802000078000A1C9B@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

> >> Considering that the EFI support is just for Dom0, and Dom0 (at
> >> the time) had to be PV anyway, it was the more natural solution to
> >> expose the interface via hypercalls, the more that this allows better
> >> control over what is and primarily what is not being exposed to
> >> Dom0. With the wrapper approach we'd be back to the same
> >> problem (discussed elsewhere) of which EFI version to surface: The
> >> host one would impose potentially missing extensions, while the
> >> most recent hypervisor known one might imply hiding valuable
> >> information from Dom0. Plus there are incompatible changes like
> >> the altered meaning of EFI_MEMORY_WP in 2.5.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I follow how hypercalls solve any impedance mismatch here;
> > you're still expecting Dom0 to call up to Xen in order to perform calls,
> > and all I suggested was a different location for those hypercalls.
> > 
> > If Xen is happy to make such calls blindly, why does it matter if the
> > hypercall was in the kernel binary or an external shim?
> 
> Because there could be new entries in SystemTable->RuntimeServices
> (expected and blindly but validly called by the kernel). Even worse
> (because likely harder to deal with) would be new fields in other
> structures.

Any of these could cause Xen to blow up, while Xen could always provide
a known-safe (but potentially sub-optimal) view to the kernel by
default.

> > Incompatible changes are a spec problem regardless of how this is
> > handled.
> 
> Not necessarily - we don't expose the memory map (we'd have to
> if we were to mimic EFI for Dom0), and hence the mentioned issue
> doesn't exist in our model.

We have to expose _some_ memory map, so I don't follow this point.

Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-11 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-10  8:41 [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters Shannon Zhao
2015-09-10  9:52 ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 10:19   ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 11:24     ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 11:37       ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 12:15         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 12:58           ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:08             ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-10 13:30               ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:52           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 14:13             ` Leif Lindholm
2015-09-10 14:49             ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 16:10               ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 16:23                 ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-11 12:46                   ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-11 13:14                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-11 13:30                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-11 15:45                         ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  8:42                           ` Shannon Zhao
2015-09-14  9:09                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14  9:31                               ` Shannon Zhao
2015-09-14  9:36                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 10:39                                   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2015-09-14 11:16                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 11:34                                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-11 16:33                         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-11 16:25                     ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-12 11:36                       ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:25                         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-14  9:43                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14  9:57                             ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-14 10:02                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 10:25                                 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-14 12:28                             ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14 13:09                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14 13:57                                 ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:47                           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-14 12:19                           ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-11 11:00                 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 12:55         ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-10 14:53           ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 15:06             ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-11 16:36               ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2015-09-10 11:32 ` Andrew Turner
2015-09-10 11:48   ` Julien Grall
2015-09-10 12:05     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-10 12:53       ` [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall
2015-09-17 11:43 ` Shannon Zhao

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